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Picture of Cynno
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I'm kinda Buddhist. I used to pray a lot...I don't know why not anymore. We don't really have a place to put our shrine I guess.
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Your welcome to everyone. Thanks for reading it.


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Wow, Letz. I must say great job on that paper. I read it and it really explains so much. I had studied about Buddism before, but I was not aware of many of the things you posted. Thank you for the enlightment.


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Amp, for a devout Christian & someone who claims to not know a lot about Buddhism, your knowledge is very good.


As a Martial Artist who's school descends from the Shaolin and Okinawan traditions it would be a challenge not to pick up some information about Buddhism and it features prominantly in many books on Samurai, Kung Fu(those shaolin again) and other Martial Arts non-fiction that I pick up. In truth I still don't think I know to much though I certaintly know a lot more after reading your excellent paper Letz. Thank you for sharing about your faith with us.


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Yes I know, but I figured that anyone who wanted to learn more about Buddhism would be willing to take the time to read it all.


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Eh...that's a long post Letz.


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Buddhism is working out well for me. I am an extremely angry person, & I find that the teachings help people like me to calm themselves. Amp, for a devout Christian & someone who claims to not know a lot about Buddhism, your knowledge is very good. Here is a paper that I wrote for my English 102 class about Buddhism. I hope it answers some questions.
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Matt Olson
Sunny Jolie McKay
English 102
Room 125
Research Paper
Topic-Religion
Resorce Matererial-Buddhanet.net

The Right & Noble Path-
-Dispelling Common Misconceptions About Buddhism

Let’s talk religion. Religion is for many a delicate subject; so much in fact, that

discussing your own spiritual beliefs in public is considered taboo. It is no surprise then

that many people in this country know very little if anything at all about religions outside

of their own. Instead of getting proper insight from the proper place, many people will

rely upon misguided hear-say in order to learn about other religions, especially when it

comes to any non-Christian religions. Because of this “religious telephone game” there is

a multitude of myths, urban legends, & general misconceptions floating around about

pretty much every religion that exists. Buddhism holds no exceptions. What exactly is

Buddhism? Buddhism is a religion & way of life to about three-hundred million people

worldwide. It is predominately known as an Asian religion, with roots dug deep into the

hearts of China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, & Thailand. It is safe to say then that Buddhism

is a well known religion, or is it? Sadly, most people worldwide who are not practitioners

of Buddhism know very little that is correct about the faith. Misunderstandings &

misconceptions are the basis for most of the knowledge out there regarding this peaceful

way of life, & the people who claim to be a part of it are grossly misunderstood as well. I

too had no clue about what was really taught in this faith. So, I took it upon myself to do

the research & to enlighten everyone on what I discovered. Here are my findings.

Let’s begin with a little history. Buddhism has it’s origins twenty-five hundred years

ago in Northern India & throughout China. It is said that the man known as Siddhartha

Gotama became “fully awakened” after years of spiritual studying & reflecting, thus

becoming the first Buddha. Who exactly was Siddhartha Gotama & why should we care?

Siddhartha Gotama was born into the royal family of what is now known as Nepal, & he

lived in luxury & wealth. He had a wife & a child & many servants, just as would be

expected of a royal lifestyle. He had it all, & that was the problem. He began spending a

lot of time outside his palace walls, & he saw that while he lived in luxury the people

outside lived in suffering. This troubled him greatly, so he began looking for some

reasons behind this from the religious leaders of his time & location. Unsatisfied with

their answers, he decided to go find answers for himself. He left his kingdom, his family,

& everything he owned behind at the age of twenty-nine to go off on a personal quest for

enlightenment & answers. After six years of studying with many different faiths, studying

on his own, & meditating, he finally found “the middle path” & achieved enlightenment,

thus becoming Buddha, meaning “awakened one”. From there he continued to live as a

nomad, teaching all whom he encountered about the “true way” that he discovered. That

much covers a great deal about him personally, but tells nothing about his teachings, so

let’s begin studying up on that with some Q & A.

What do Buddhists believe? Well, that is a tough nut to crack. You have to be more

specific.

Ok, do Buddhists believe in a god or gods, & is Buddha himself a god? Good

questions with easy answers. No, Buddhists do not worship or deify anyone or anything,

so they do not believe in a god or gods & no, Buddha himself was not & is not seen as a god. The term Buddha simply means “awakened one” or “one who has seen the way”.

Basically a Buddha is simply put, a human who has been perfected do to ultimate

enlightenment. Buddha never ever said that he was a god or that he should be

worshipped. Buddha & his followers did not, & don’t believe in gods or deities because

they believe that the basis for godly faith is fear & uncertainty, all of which the

teachings strive to help people overcome. There is no current proof that god or the gods

exist, so holding onto something that is rooted in fear can only bring personal suffering.

So then why do Buddhists bow? Bowing is an ancient Asian greeting, meant to show

honor, understanding, humility, open-mindedness, thankfulness, & good will towards

another person. Buddhists bow to a statue of the Buddha to express those feelings

towards the memory of Buddha, thanking him for his teachings & expressing outward

humility that they understand that they have not reached total enlightenment yet. This

type of tradition is similar to making a monument of a prestigious figure in order to show

everlasting honor. Basically, the Buddha statues serve the same purpose that statues of the

presidents do.

If Buddhists don’t actually worship anyone/anything, then what do they follow?

They follow Buddha’s example, & his teachings as written down in the Dhamma (or

Dharma). He spoke about the “four noble truths” & the “noble eight-fold path”.

What are those? The “four noble truths” are:

1.) Life in this world is full of unneeded suffering.

2.) Suffering is caused by greed, malcontent, & craving.

3.) Suffering is ended when one becomes enlightened like the Buddha, & gives up the

chase that greed, malcontent, & craving cause.
4.) The way to enlightenment is the noble eight-fold path.

The “noble eight-fold path: is:

1.) Right view & understanding.

2.) Right attitude, thought, & emotion.

3.) Right speech.

4.) Right actions.

5.) Right livelihood.

6.) Right effort, energy, & vitality.

7.) Right mindfulness & awareness.

8.) Right concentration, & integration of or establishment in, various levels of

consciousness.

There are more in-depth explanations about the eight-fold path at the Buddhanet.net

website.

Can a Buddhist eat meat? Yes. I know what you’re thinking, how can they eat meat

if they believe that all creatures are to be honored & shown mercy? Well, the answer is

simply that all if you use normal everyday items such as soap, clothing made with any

form of animal hide, gasoline, shoes, & even vegetables you are indirectly aiding in the

death of another creature. Buddha himself was not vegetarian, he simply would not

himself kill in order to get meat. That is the stand of many Buddhists worldwide. It is a

personal choice about whether or not you should eat meat. The teachings only say not to

directly end the life of another living creature, human or animal. Certain small groups

within Buddhism may claim to be vegetarian, but that does not mean that all Buddhists

must follow their example.
Do Buddhists pray? No, not in the traditional sense. Since they do not believe in god

or any other deities they do not pray to them. They meditate. There is a multitude of

meditation forms out there, & some may be considered a form of prayer simply because

they are directed at another person other than the person meditating, but Buddhists do not

claim to actually pray.

How do Buddhists feel about sex & marriage? Sex is good, have it. Just kidding,

but seriously, Buddhism does not condemn sex or being gay in any way. When it came to

sex, Buddha simply said that you should not use trickery, bribery, emotional strain, or

force of any kind to get someone to have sex with you. He taught that sex was a healthy

& good thing to share with someone that you love. It did not matter if you were married

or not, all that mattered was that you loved the other person. Since the teachings preach

that it is ok as long as there is love, then yes, homosexuality is considered a-ok. As far as

marriage goes, ancient Buddhist monks did not perform marriage ceremonies because

back in ancient times you had to be a part of the main religion to do so, but monks have

always been present at marriages to bless the newlywed couple. Today, there are some

Buddhist monks that will perform marriage ceremonies, but all monks continue to be

present if asked to in order to bless the newlyweds.

How do Buddhists feel about other religions? Buddha taught that all religions had

some good in them, & thus that all religions need to be shown honor & respect. In the

spirit of honoring other religions, a Buddhist can celebrate holidays of other religions

with their friends & relatives.

Since Buddha taught against craving & wanting, does a Buddhist have to be

poor? No, not by any means. Teaching against craving & unneeded wanting is just to help simplify ones life. A Buddhist can have a very comfortable life full of nice things, as

long as they do not grow unhealthily attached to them.

What is karma? Karma is simply put, cause & effect. It is the belief that all things

good & bad that happen to someone are caused in someway, either directly by actions, or

indirectly by emotional responses to an action, by the person they happen to. Buddhists

do not believe in luck or destiny to control their lives.

Do Buddhists believe in reincarnation or rebirth? Yes & no. They do believe that

we travel to another body & life after we die, but their beliefs are not to be confused with

that of Hinduism or other religions. They mainly talk about rebirth in the form of mental

change, becoming enlightened & awakened thus reborn.

This concludes my Q & A about Buddhism. All in all, it is a religion of self worth, self

growth, love, happiness, & peace. Does their approach work? Well, after studying their

teachings & beliefs for about four to five years, I have converted. I hope that it will

become easier & easier for everyone to learn about this truly noble faith.

Peace be with you.
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It is a very free religion, because Buddha taught understanding to refrain from judgement. But, just because it is a free religion, does not mean that it is without morals. There are 5 moral guidlines in Buddhism called "The Five Precepts". They are:

1) To undertake the training to avoid taking the life of beings. This precept applies to all living beings not just humans. All beings have a right to their lives and that right should be respected.

2) To undertake the training to avoid taking things not given. This precept goes further than mere stealing. One should avoid taking anything unless one can be sure that is intended that it is for you.

3) To undertake the training to avoid sensual misconduct. This precept is often mistranslated or misinterpreted as relating only to sexual misconduct but it covers any overindulgence in any sensual pleasure such as gluttony as well as misconduct of a sexual nature.

4) To undertake the training to refrain from false speech. As well as avoiding lying and deceiving, this precept covers slander as well as speech which is not beneficial to the welfare of others.

5) To undertake the training to abstain from substances which cause intoxication and heedlessness. This precept is in a special category as it does not infer any intrinsic evil in, say, alcohol itself but indulgence in such a substance could be the cause of breaking the other four precepts.


Note, these are "guidlines" not rules. It is said "I undertake" not "Thou shalt". Choice, not demand. There are several other differences between Buddhism & other religions. They are:

1. There is no almighty God in Buddhism. There is no one to hand out rewards or punishments on a supposedly Judgement Day.

2. Buddhism is strictly not a religion in the context of being a faith and worship owing allegiance to a supernatural being.

3. No saviour concept in Buddhism. A Buddha is not a saviour who saves others by his personal salvation. Although a Buddhist seeks refuge in the Buddha as his incomparable guide who indicates the path of purity, he makes no servile surrender. A Buddhist does not think that he can gain purity merely by seeking refuge in the Buddha or by mere faith in Him. It is not within the power of a Buddha to wash away the impurities of others

4. A Buddha is not an incarnation of a god/God (as claimed by some Hindu followers). The relationship between a Buddha and his disciples and followers is that of a teacher and student.

5. The liberation of self is the responsibility of one's own self. Buddhism does not call for an unquestionable blind faith by all Buddhist followers. It places heavy emphasis on self-reliance, self discipline and individual striving.

6. Taking refuge in The Triple Gems i.e. the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha; does not mean self-surrender or total reliance on an external force or third party for help or salvation.

7. Dharma (the teachings in Buddhism) exists regardless whether there is a Buddha. Sakyamuni Buddha (as the historical Buddha) discovered and shared the teachings/ universal truths with all sentient beings. He is neither the creator of such teachings nor the prophet of an almighty God to transmit such teachings to others.

8. Especially emphasized in Mahayana Buddhism, all sentient beings have Buddha Nature/ Essence. One can become a Buddha (a supreme enlightened being) in due course if one practises diligently and attains purity of mind (ie absolutely no delusions or afflictions).

9. In Buddhism, the ultimate objective of followers/practitioners is enlightenment and/or liberation from Samsara; rather than to go to a Heaven (or a deva realm in the context of Buddhist cosmology).

10. Karma and Karma Force are cornerstones in Buddhist doctrines. They are expounded very thoroughly in Buddhism. Karma refers to an important metaphysical concept concerned with action and its consequences. This law of karma explains the problem of sufferings, the mystery of the so-called fate and predestination of some religions, and above all the apparent inequality of mankind.

11. Rebirth is another key doctrine in Buddhism and it goes hand in hand with karma. There is a subtle difference between rebirth and reincarnation as expounded in Hinduism. Buddhism rejects the theory of a transmigrating permanent soul, whether created by a god or emanating from a divine essence.

12. Maitri or Metta in Pali (Loving Kindness) and Karuna (Compassion) to all living beings including animals. Buddhism strictly forbids animal sacrifice for whatever reason. Vegetarianism is recommended but not compulsory.

13. The importance of Non-attachment. Buddhism goes beyond doing good and being good. One must not be attached to good deeds or the idea of doing good; otherwise it is just another form of craving.

14. In Buddhism, there is consideration for all sentient beings (versus human beings, as in other religions). Buddhists acknowledge/accept the existence of animals and beings in other realms in Samsara.

15. No holy war concept in Buddhism. Killing is breaking a key moral precept in Buddhism. One is strictly forbidden to kill another person in the name of religion, a religious leader or whatsoever religious pretext or worldly excuse.

16. Suffering is another cornerstone in Buddhism. It is the first of the Four Noble Truths. Sufferings are very well analysed and explained in Buddhism.

17. The idea of sin or original sin has no place in Buddhism. Also, sin should not be equated to suffering.

18. Buddhist teachings expound no beginning and no end to one's existence or life. There is virtually no recognition of a first cause — e.g. how does human existence first come about?

19. The Dharma provides a very detailed explanation of the doctrine of anatman {anatta in Pali} or soullessness , i.e. there is no soul entity (whether in one life of many lives).

20. The Buddha is omniscient but he is not omnipotent. He is capable of innumerable feats but there are three things he cannot do. Also, a Buddha does not claim to be a creator of lives or the Universe.

21. Prajna [Panna in Pali] or Transcendent Wisdom occupies a paramount position in Buddhist teachings. Sakyamuni Buddha expounded Prajna concepts for some 20 years of his ministry. One is taught to balance compassion with prajna i.e.emotion (faith) with rationale (right understanding / truth / logic).

22. The tradition and practice of meditation in Buddhism are relatively important and strong. While all religions teach some forms or variations of stabilising/single-pointedness meditation, only Buddhism emphazises Vipassana (Insight) meditation as a powerful tool to assist one in seeking liberation/enlightenment.

23. The doctrine of Sunyata or Emptiness is unique to Buddhism and its many aspects are well expounded in advanced Buddhist teachings. Briefly, this doctrine asserts the transcendental nature of Ultimate Reality. It declares the phenomenal world to be void of all limitations of particularization and that all concepts of dualism are abolished.

24. Conditioned Arising [Paticcasamuppada in Pali] or Dependent Origination is another key doctrine in Buddhism. This doctrine explains that all psychological and physical phenomena constituting individual existence are interdependent and mutually condition each other; this at the same time describes what entangles sentient beings in samsara.

25. The concept of Hell(s) in Buddhism is very different from that of other religions. It is not a place for eternal damnation as viewed by 'almighty creator' religions. In Buddhism, it is just one of the six realms in Samsara [i.e. the worst of three undesirable realms]. Also, there are virtually unlimited number of hells in the Buddhist cosmology as there are infinite number of Buddha worlds.

26. The Buddhist cosmology (or universe) is distinctly different from that of other religions which usually recognise only this solar system (Earth) as the centre of the Universe and the only planet with living beings. The Buddhist viewpoint of a Buddha world (also known as Three Thousand-Fold World System) is that of one billion solar systems. Besides, the Mahayana Buddhist doctrines expound that there are other contemporary Buddha worlds like Amitabha's Pure Land and Bhaisajyaguru's world system.

27. Samsara is a fundamental concept in Buddhism and it is simply the 'perpetual cycles of existence' or endless rounds of rebirth among the six realms of existence. This cyclical rebirth pattern will only end when a sentient being attains Nirvana, i.e. virtual exhaustion of karma, habitual traces, defilements and delusions. All other religions preach one heaven, one earth and one hell, but this perspective is very limited compared with Buddhist samsara where heaven is just one of the six realms of existence and it has 28 levels/planes.

Anything else you wish to learn, I suggest checking out the web-site www.Buddhanet.net

Peace out!


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wearing orange things and having bald heads... I'm not sure thats even true though!


well it's true for monks

I know about some of the basic stuff I really don't know much about the meat of the religion. Like the basic tenants the rest of the religion is based off of and what not

however I do know the story of Buddha:

The man who was to become Buddha was born as a prince in the realm of a powerful ruler. His parents were protective of the boy so he lived his whole life in the palace and never saw sickness, death or poverty. One day when the boy had become a man he told his attendant "prepare a carriage I'm going out to see the people" now on previous rides the king's attendants and soliders had removed the old, the sick, the dying and the poor that the young prince might not see them. But for this ride there was no opportunity to do this. Long Story short: The man went out amongst his people; saw age, sickness, death and poverty and threw away all his trappings and postion he left his home and went to a garden. He sat down under a fig tree and meditated there. He meditated until he gained enlightenment. He then went amongst the people instructing them of the path they should take that they should attain enlightenment. In doing this he became Lord Buddha.
Other high figures in the Buddhist faith are Buddhas (non-lord) and Bohdisvattas. these are people who have attained enlightenment and could pass from the world but out of sheer compassion for others reincarnate to help guide people on the right path. A prominent Bohdisvatta is the Dalai Lama of Tibet who is said to the the reincarnated form of the Bohdisvatta of Compassion

*re-reads* I guess I do know more than a little but I still would like to know more if you don't mind Letz


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Originally posted by ampmaster:
but beyond Buddha himself and the incarnation of Buddha who brought Kung-fu to the Shaolin Monks (Bodhi Darhma) I don't know much about Buddhism


That seems like a lot really, so saying you don't know much don't seem right really...

I don't really know anything about it. Apart from being a very free religion, worshipping Buddah, wearing orange things and having bald heads... I'm not sure thats even true though!
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I practice some of the meditation aspects of Buddhism and Zen Buddhism in their martial applications (read the meditation part of Kung-Fu and other orginally Buddhist taught martial arts) but beyond Buddha himself and the incarnation of Buddha who brought Kung-fu to the Shaolin Monks (Bodhi Darhma) I don't know much about Buddhism


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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I always pronounced your name "lets blued." I was way off, there.

How's Buddhism working out for you, then?


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Hello im Otto. Im not a Buddhist but it would be quite interesting to learn about it.
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Wassup? My name is Matt, but everyone here knows me well as letzBloud (pronounced lets be loud). I recently embraced the teachings & became a Buddhist myself. I know that this thread has been unused for a while now but I thought it would be cool to have someone to discuss this stuff with, so here I am.


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im a lot into buddhism though im hindu...

read dalali lams freedom in exile recently..man do i love him..

do u read lobsang rampa?

ive been to a lot of monastries adn been to the oldest one in india..they are overwhlemingly peaceful......


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This isn't a chat room; you generally have to wait a few hours for a reply.


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I'm not a Buddhist,but some practices they have I consider pretty cool.


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Okay, I'm going to leave it then.
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Kinda seems like nobody really is Buddhist.
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