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Look at Mormonism for a great example of that. It's even complete with the vanishing holy book which only one person ever saw (who just happened to be the one who created the religion in the first place).

Which is why the Mormon religion is not credible and is not the word of god but the word of man.

The bible however is different. It is a testable book which makes many specific claims that we can test to see if they are true.

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When have you ever specifically asked me for evidence?

On this thread I specifically asked for evidence to verify the religions that were cited in support of the idea that animals have souls. I have also specifically asked for evidence on other threads, I will repeat my request there.

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Ridiculousness is a very subjective idea.

What I meant was do we know that the statement is wrong. The example that you gave of the ancient Hindu belief is clearly false and so we know that the religion is not credible. Christianity makes no such ridicules claims, and as for you interpolation of heaven, it is a little off and over simplified.

Sweet. I'd better get on writing--I mean, having it revealed to me. Again.

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You can’t even produce this holy book of yours because it does not exist.

But it does exist. It was revealed to me in a dream, and then I dug it up in my backyard. After I read it, angels took it away, so now I just have to tell everyone from memory.

(Yes, I know I just plagiarized the Book of Mormon story.)

The whole point of this holy book thing is to say that anything can be "holy," in that it has been divinely inspired or revealed or whatever. There is no proof for such a thing because proof is not often needed. You just need to tell people God (or whoever) told you such and such and at least a few people will believe you. Look at Mormonism for a great example of that. It's even complete with the vanishing holy book which only one person ever saw (who just happened to be the one who created the religion in the first place).

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because when ever I ask for evidence you doge the question

When have you ever specifically asked me for evidence? I can't recall anything of the sort, but if I did dodge your questions, just point me to where you asked and I'll find you your evidence.

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For example if a religion says that are all inside of a giant god, who is made of cheese, and that we used to be ham sandwiches, the religion should be rejected because it is obviously ridicules.

I find the idea of an all-powerful God creating our universe just to get us to love him so we can all live happily in a carbon copy of Jerusalem built out of precious materials on the Earth after it's been scoured clean by angels on horses, plagues, and women with numbers on their heads riding multi-headed beasts rather ridiculous. Should I automatically reject Christianity now?

Ridiculousness is a very subjective idea. Whereas you and I find the idea of the Earth resting on the backs of a bunch of elephants on the back of a giant turtle (another ancient Hindu belief, I think) to be very far-fetched, someone (especially someone with no knowledge of astronomy or geology) could find it perfectly believable. All religions are like this. There are always some people who are willing to suspend their disbelief in order to follow a religion. I won't argue whether or not they're on to something or simply deluded; that's not the point of this thread. But you can't judge a religion based on credibility, since all religions by their very nature are rather hard to swallow.

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the Most Damn Holy Book of clpo13

you ever actually write this I will buy a copy

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Oh please. You don't need evidence for a religion. It's all about faith, you should know that.

I don’t think that it is all about faith. If a religion is true it should be able to stand up to criticism and attacks, so there should be evidence supporting it. For example if a religion says that are all inside of a giant god, who is made of cheese, and that we used to be ham sandwiches, the religion should be rejected because it is obviously ridicules. A real example of this is Hinduism which made the claim that man used to have cities on the moon.

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If you ask for evidence in favor of something, all I have to do is ask for evidence against it. It's a poor strategy that's not really getting you anywhere.

Actually it points out a very interesting point, you don’t have evidence that you can produce that supports you point, because when ever I ask for evidence you doge the question, yet you claim the scientific, and evidence high grounds and claim that you believe in the theory that has the provable evidence.

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I can't prove my book is true. So what? No one can prove it isn't.

Evidence that is non existent or falsified is useless and means nothing. You can’t even produce this holy book of yours because it does not exist. Unless the evidence actually can be tested it means nothing.

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with about as much evidence.

Really? Well religious texts like the Hindu Vedas, have been shown to have major flaws that would negate the truth of those texts.

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Now do you have any evidence that those religions are credible, and that they are indeed the word of God.

Presuming this to be a question, yes I do.

In a great and terrible dream, all of creation was opened to me, and all the Gods of those vairous religions paraded before my sight and spake unto me, saying, 'Brehon, thou must tell the people of the souls of animals, for they have been much negelected. Preach ye the word of these various Gods.' And so here I am.

But seriously, having read the major religious texts of three, no four, of those, and having read the Bible and the Koran, I can verify that they make just the same level of claims in thier religious texts that you do, with about as much evidence. And they all have high powered scientists who are devout believers trying to prove the existence of thier various Gods by backing up thier claims with science too.

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Now do you have any evidence that those religions are credible, and that they are indeed the word of God.

It seems your prejudice knows no bounds.

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until Mr. T revealed to them the greatness of the club sandwich

I like the sound of a club sandwich. :P

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Now do you have any evidence that those religions are credible, and that they are indeed the word of God.

Do you have any evidence yours is?

What is with you and evidence? Don't you realize yours is an argument that can easily be turned against you? If you ask for evidence in favor of something, all I have to do is ask for evidence against it. It's a poor strategy that's not really getting you anywhere.

For instance, all I need to do is reference the Most Damn Holy Book of clpo13 (Third Edition), which says, and I quote, "And then the most holy Mr. T said unto the people, 'None of you suckas have souls!' and there was great lamentation until Mr. T revealed to them the greatness of the club sandwich," and no one can argue against this because I can reply to anyone who asks for evidence that my book is true with a request for evidence that it isn't. And then we won't get anywhere at all, will we? I can't prove my book is true. So what? No one can prove it isn't.

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Now do you have any evidence that those religions are credible, and that they are indeed the word of God.

Oh please. You don't need evidence for a religion. It's all about faith, you should know that.

And again, I still haven't seen any proof that the Bible says that animals have no souls. You are only making assumptions based on the fact that God gave man the task to take care of animals and rule over them. Assumptions are not evidence, my friend.

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Hinduism,
Janism,
Shintoism,
Sikhism, (arguably)
Indigenous Chinese religion,
Neo-pagansim,
Celtic religions,
All primitive religions,
All death cult religions,

Now do you have any evidence that those religions are credible, and that they are indeed the word of God.

What about the old Polytheistic ones? They're not all neopaganism.

In my previous post put "feel" in between "you" and "better"

To return to the point I failed to make earlier:

Those who believe animals have souls:

Hinduism,
Janism,
Shintoism,
Sikhism, (arguably)
Indigenous Chinese religion,
Neo-pagansim,
Celtic religions,
All primitive religions,
All death cult religions,

Those who believe animals don't have souls:
The three monotheistic religions,
Buddhism (no souls at all)

I can't think of any more religions...

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Shade is a xian, just not your "run of the mill" one.

Sorry. I know that. I just didn't put you in the group because you don't bug me, but if it makes you better...

Eagle: I don't know. The bible doesn't say
Neph: NO! Humans are way better! the bible says so!
OG: Everything has a soul.
Shade: Even tree's have souls

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How does that claim that animals have no soul, Nephilem? You still haven't proven your point.

Well when the bible says that we were made in Gods image it is not referring to physical appearance. Instead it is referring to spiritually in that we have souls and are capable of spiritual things. This description was applied to only man and not to the animals.

How does that claim that animals have no soul, Nephilem? You still haven't proven your point.

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Okay so we have 3 different christians saying 3 different things. Is it really any wonder why I don't believe?

Well it doesn’t mater what Christians claim their religion says what matters is what the bible says.

Genesis 26 and 28 say

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26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

So it makes it clear that man is the only creature made in the image of god and that man was given superiority over the animals.

Shade is a xian, just not your "run of the mill" one.

Oh, I see. Well thank you for clearing that up. I was unsure about who you were referring to.

I'm with Eagle on this one. I don't know either and I can't seem to find any Biblical evidence for or against the idea of animals having souls or not.

Eagle: I don't know. The bible doesn't say
Neph: NO! Humans are way better! the bible says so!
OG: Everything has a soul.

Them.