i mean that there might be some animals like the horses but i don't think our pets dogs r going anywhere else but the ground when they die

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in the bible it say that jesus rides off on the horses so idk it's a little mixed in a way and yet not

What about the horses of the Apocalypse? What does that have to do with animals having souls? Please explain what you mean.

...What?

Animals don't have souls i wish they do, but maybe there is a little it says abotu it in the bible it say that jesus rides off on the horses so idk it's a little mixed in a way and yet not

so what goin on here?

Not so. Many things stand for a very long time before someone has the courage to disprove them. As of now, with Christianity being one of the leading ( or most obtrusive ) religons of the world, I don't think anyone has the guts to try and disprove it.

Oh, also:

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I don't know for fact if animals have souls and the Bible does not say specifically they don't.

I respect Eagle, and his opinion, so stop using the Bible, Nephilim, unless you can bring us up a verse or two that proves your side.

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The Bible is as trustworthy as my book, which says souls are bagels. (Thanks for catching me on that, Shade. Horrible mistranslation from Gibberish to Pig Latin.)

If that was true it would have been proved false a long time ago.

Does that idea that they do not have any support? And please don't quote the Bible as proof that animals are soulless. The Bible is as trustworthy as my book, which says souls are bagels. (Thanks for catching me on that, Shade. Horrible mistranslation from Gibberish to Pig Latin.)

If there are such things as souls, their existence cannot be proven. Where does the soul reside? What does it consist of? Consider that the soul is said to be everlasting, meaning it will outlive the body, and that it remains the same throughout a person's life. The soul can't consist of memories, since memories disappear once electrical activity completely ceases in the brain. The soul can't be our personality, since our personality is determined mostly by upbringing and environment, and can change drastically throughout our lives.

There is no empirical proof that the soul exists in either humans or animals.

Does the idea that animals have souls, have any support?

So far the only source that has been cited is Hinduism, but the Hindu Vedas also tell of cities on the sun so it is not exactly what I would consider to be a credible source.

I asked my Cat once if he had a soul... he just glared at me for a few seconds, turned round, took a few steps, and laid down and took a nap....

I have tried this response myself to try to mean both yes, and no, and in both experiments I failed miserably...

Will pursue other idea's to get to the bottom of this.

clpo, I think something got mixed up in the translation. It really says souls are made of bagels. You should check the original text, ok?

Brehon, your post made me smile. No small feat to make me smile.

Hinduism believes that all animals have souls. As do most of the older religions.

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My holy book (which I won't provide as evidence because only I can see it) says that souls are really made of cheese, so they were digested long ago, which means no one has them. At all. Not even kittens.

Argument solved, case dismissed, have a nice day.

My holy book (which I won't provide as evidence because only I can see it) says that souls are really made of cheese, so they were digested long ago, which means no one has them. At all. Not even kittens.

Argument solved, case dismissed, have a nice day.

(Note: this is not serious. Please, for the love of all that is good, don't take it as such.)

Morality is a creation of man, so no, animals don't have morality. Nature as a whole is not moral, it just is.

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Why does it matter?

It was a topic that was started somewhere else, there was enough people interested in debating it, so I made it's own thread.

Why does it matter?

I don't know for fact if animals have souls and the Bible does not say specifically they don't. However I don't believe animals have a real sense of morality, or able to grasp the concept of metaphysics.

So I don't think they have souls in the sense they are held accountable for their actions...

No, the bible is the word of Yahweh. He is not the Source. He is but a being under the Source. And we can't prove the Bible is his word anyway! All we can prove is that it was written by man, and the things the bible proves are things about this world, physical things, never the spiritual. Two completely different arguments. The truth of one does not prove the other. As a side note, sometimes people mix truth and lies so others believe it all. This is evident in books such as the Davinchi Code ( or any fiction for that matter ).

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The bible is the word of God and it says that man does have the right to dominate over the animals and that man is above animals.

So people don't believe in God, so don't expect everyone to go along with it.

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Man has no right to dominate anything. They aren't the first creation of god, or even the second. The Bible is not your God. Sometimes you have to listen to the Source itself to know the truth.

The bible is the word of God and it says that man does have the right to dominate over the animals and that man is above animals.