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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Perhaps a Christian can answer this burning question I have: why do Christians (the "forgive everyone" people) refuse to practice religious tolerance? Is it so hard to admit that other religions may be just as valid?
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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That's cool. Maybe we could get a good debate going.
Just call me Captain Sillypants.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Call me conceited but this is today's board of the day! Isn't that dandy?
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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If my grand theory is true then it seems ridiculous that we wouldn't all get along. Reference to this [long] quote from a previous post of mine: quote: So my idea is that if you are a Christian and follow the principles of the religion, believe in God, and so on and so forth then you will go to Heaven.
If you are a Muslim and follow the principles of Islam, believe in Allah, and so on and so forth then you will reach...whatever Heaven is for Muslims.
If you are a Hindu and follow the principles of Hinduism and so on and so forth then you will reach...whatever Heaven is for Hindus.
If you are atheist or agnostic and you are a good, kinda, decent, moral person by society's general terms then whatever you believe will happen to you when you die, will (I am under the impression that most atheists believe they will just die so there's one example).
Do you see where this is going?
See, I personally believe in the Christian God. I believe there is no other God, yadda, yadda, yadda. But I also hold to the belief that good, kind, decent, moral people shouldn't burn in Hell or whatever for all eternity simply because they've never heard of Jesus Christ. That's just wrong and unfair.
And this doesn't make me less of a Christian. I never said that I believe people of other religions are saved and I didn't say that there is more than one God. In layman's terms: What you think will happen to you when you die, will. Unless you're a horrible, snotty, mean, despicable, etc. kind of person all your life. Then I think you will either be forced to stay on Earth, reincarnated into like a turd, or into Hell, if such a place exists.
...this is sorta based on alternate realities but I can't even explain that part of it.
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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You know, there are like a million people out there with about a million different religions, and every single one has differing views. I think we all just need to learn how to put up with eachother. That would be cool.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: why do Christians (the "forgive everyone" people) refuse to practice religious tolerance? Is it so hard to admit that other religions may be just as valid?
Oh, my dear, it ain't just the Christians. Yesterday I met a New Age couple who were damn sure their baby boy was the next Jesus. They can't admit it's valid, I think, because, it takes guts to admit that your faith may just well be BS. It takes guts to think that your so-called faithful God perhaps never existed, or maybe created you and left you to fend off for youself. It's terrifying to believe that when you die, you die and it's OVER, and that's that, you're just dead. The whole concept of religion, its promises of an after-life, a good God, etc, are very pleasant to man, who'll always try to know the origins and endings of the universe.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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All right. You've proven to me that, although you don't view non-Christian religions to be valid, you don't hold other peoples' beliefs against them. Thank you. However, there are still Christians out there who don't even come close. I still don't understand why they see themselves as being justified in bashing other religions when the Bible clearly says to love everyone equally and to not judge. I don't think I'll get an answer any time soon because all the uber-conservative Christians on YN seem to have disappeared...
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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How is that saying you're going to hell and preaching it to them like a self-righteous person? I don't tell them that they are wrong. I explain why I think I'm right, and I don't cut them off when they expalin why they think they are right. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Neither, one of us is going to convince each other otherwise. It's silly to argue about another's beliefs. Religion is extremely personal, and you shouldn't put people down for it. I accept the fact that other people have different religions, and I don't hate them or bash them for it. According to your website you quoted, I practice religious tolerance.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Indeed you haven't. Not to me personally. But you said that you point out to others how your religion is "more right" than theirs, and that's essentially the same. As for being an imperfect Christian by accepting other religions, that's complete nonsense. I may not be religious, but I do believe in religious plurality. Look at the fundamental beliefs of all the major religions on Earth. Notice a similarity? All religions are basically the same. Love one another, worship god(s), et cetera. They just have a different flavoring based on the cultures that created the religions.
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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Clpo - I never did preach it to you. You asked a question, I answered it as honestly as I could for me. I never said you were going to hell. That's how you turn people off to your side of the fence. Worth - I haven't really read all of them, but I have read some.
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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quote: I don't understand what you're getting at. Non-Christians believe in their religions just as strongly as Christians believe in their religion.
I think klguddat is meaning that you can't believe in Christianity halfway and accepting the fact that other religions may be "right" then you would be doing that. klguddat, by any chance have you read some of my lengthy posts about Christianity vs. other religions?
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Exactly. Having religious freedom means that you can believe and worship as you wish, without taking flak from people who disagree with you. I honestly couldn't care less if you think I'm going to hell because I'm not a Christian. Just don't preach it to me.
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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Religious tolerance means: to extend religious freedom to people of all religions, even though you sincerely disagree with their beliefs and/or practices. Okay, here's what I found on that website. Seems a little more in line with exactly what I'm saying here. We'll have to continue this discussion later, I'm going to bed.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Look, one of the definitions of religious tolerance is to accept all religions as equally true. (that's from religioustolerance.org) And you say that only Christianity is true. Thus you are not tolerant of other religions. That's what I'm getting at. I don't care if you respect other people's opinions about religion. That's a totally different matter.
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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I think you're over complicating this. For me, it has so much more to do with how you live, rather than the words you say. Just because you don't agree with another person's opinion, doesn't mean you're not tolerant of the right they have to express that opinion.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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All right, I'll rephrase the original question: "Why do Christians like klguddat refuse to practice religious tolerance?" You can't call other religions wrong without proof. And Christianity has no more proof that it is "right" than does any other religion. And using the Bible as proof is just setting a double standard. Why can the Bible prove Christianity right while the Qu'ran can't prove Islam right? See what I mean? quote: If you're going to believe something you should believe it whole-heartedly, not halfway.
I don't understand what you're getting at. Non-Christians believe in their religions just as strongly as Christians believe in their religion. quote: But, I don't tell people who believe other things that they're wrong. I just try to explain why I think being a Christian is the only right religion.
That's the same thing. Instead of saying "you're wrong", you're saying "I'm right."
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Registered: September 10, 2003
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I don't think it would be a good idea to classify all Christians the same way. You could offend someone. As for me, I do think other religions are wrong. If you're going to believe something you should believe it whole-heartedly, not halfway. I live Christianity. It's more than just a religion, it's my life. But, I don't tell people who believe other things that they're wrong. I just try to explain why I think being a Christian is the only right religion. Call me narrowminded, that's what I am. That's the way the Bible is too. That's okay with me.
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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Why do most Christians..... Anyway, I have no idea. Ask the rest of 'em. (I'm assuming you've read my thoughts on this before. If not, I'll be glad to share them again...but I think you have).
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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