Ugh....I just can't believe/understand/comprehend/etc. these Mormon views of Christianity....it drives me crazy so I think I'll just stay out of it.

No and no. Heavenly Mother is not Mary, Heavenly Mother is God's eternal companion.

There is not more than one God that is our God. Heavenly Mother is God's Eternal Companion, but she isn't a God in that sense. You can call it sexism if you like, but it's the patriarchal order.

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There is a "Mrs. God" up there. Heavenly Mother.

So you're saying you believe there is more than one God?

You have your beliefs, I have mine. I assume you're talking about Mary?

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Whoa! Mary gave birth to God?! I think you've got your wires crossed. According to ye old King James Version, God had a Son by Mary (aka Jesus). It's obvious Jesus was a guy, I mean, women back then didn't grow beards too often. Yet nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was God or God was Jesus or Mary was Jesus or God or whatever. I've looked into it and determined that Jesus was a simple mortal man, not the son of some deity, nor a semi-deity himself.

So yes, Jesus was male. But God is asexual. I mean, why would God need a gender? Is there a Mrs. God somewhere up there? Does God want little mini-Gods running around? I don't think so. Case closed.

There is a "Mrs. God" up there. Heavenly Mother.

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Originally posted by SCxNothingxBetter:
Well of course it COULD be changed but personally i don't think it is. It was first written in Hebrew but i'm sure that the message of the text is still the same to a degree.

Okay. Starting off, I'm Christian, and I believe the Bible to be true. However, have you ever studied Hebrew?

It is a very inspecific language. There aren't even any vowels in Hebrew! What a set-up for mistranslation. My linguist side just had to kick in.

So here come inspired translations. What do you believe to an inspired translation?

No problem. Go forth and prosper.

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Of course.....you'll get past the initial confusion that many new members experience once you get used to being here. Welcome, in case I didn't mention that before.

Why thank you WWF.

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Originally posted by SCxNothingxBetter:
Yea, sorry about the confusion with my post...i think of Jesus and God as the same thing sometimes...sorry about that...I think ya'll are right about God having no gender now. It makes sense.

Of course.....you'll get past the initial confusion that many new members experience once you get used to being here. Welcome, in case I didn't mention that before.

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Doesn't asexual mean can reproduce without another of its kind,

depends on the contest really but it means with out sex so that generally means can reproduce on own.

Yea, sorry about the confusion with my post...i think of Jesus and God as the same thing sometimes...sorry about that...I think ya'll are right about God having no gender now. It makes sense.

Ahem. To get past the confusion...

God: No gender. Given one in the Bible to connect more with humans and because Judaism and Christianity sprung from a highly patriarchal society. However, in reality, God the deity has no gender. Don't believe everything you read, SC.

Jesus: Completely human. Man. Great guy. Good teacher. But human.

Holy Spirit: The spirit of God that lives within you if you truly believe. Brehon, it is created when you accept God into your heart.

Ta da

The only Latin I know is in overused phrases like "Carpe Diem!" and "Veni vidi vici", so I'd have to answer no.

Purely out of interest, have you ever read a Latin Bible, clpo? I havn't I gave up Latin 2 years ago, but I would like to.

Indeed.

Well clpo, we steal thier philosophy, we stole their technology, system of writing and system of government. Why not some aspects of their religion?

Brehon, according to the Bible, the Holy Spirit was created at the exact same instance as the Universe. I think. Or it was always there. It's in the very beginning of Genesis. Let's see...

Gen. 1:2 NIV - "Now the earth was [or became] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Spirit of God, I think, correlates to the Holy Spirit. This particular translation isn't quite the best. I wish I had a King James lying around somewhere, but it'd probably burst into flame if I touched it.

And greenleaf, I suppose you might be right. I still don't agree that God ever had a son. Sounds too Greek to me. The God impregnating a human bit, that is.

Doesn't asexual mean can reproduce without another of its kind, like yeast?

Surely, as God transcends being he trancends gender and the whole gender thing is only to make what may or may not exist seem more human to us, and thus more easy for us to believe in.

I caught that, but I didn't really have the energy to argue religion anymore. Now I do.

What I think she meant, though, clpo, was that if God had a son, which was to help teach the people about God, that it would be the same gender as God. Of course, I don't agree with this, the higher power is definatly asexual, but I was just clarifying what she possibly meant.

clpo 13, can you tell me when the Hol Spirit was created? I've read the Bible several times, despite its fantastically boring nature, and never found it.