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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Whoa! Mary gave birth to God?! I think you've got your wires crossed. According to ye old King James Version, God had a Son by Mary (aka Jesus). It's obvious Jesus was a guy, I mean, women back then didn't grow beards too often. Yet nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was God or God was Jesus or Mary was Jesus or God or whatever. I've looked into it and determined that Jesus was a simple mortal man, not the son of some deity, nor a semi-deity himself. So yes, Jesus was male. But God is asexual. I mean, why would God need a gender? Is there a Mrs. God somewhere up there? Does God want little mini-Gods running around? I don't think so. Case closed.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 21, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by Greenleaf771:
This is turning into another "how do you know God is real?" or "Are you sure?" thread. So I'm turning it back to the direction it started from.
Why do you think God is a he besides the bible, SC?
Well there isn't really any other evidence that I'm aware of besides the Bible. The Bible is why I believe he is a he. Because it says "He" in the Bible and it refers to him as God's "Son." And Mary gave birth to a "boy." But if i do fund any other evidence i'll be sure to post it here.
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Registered: March 30, 2005
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This is turning into another "how do you know God is real?" or "Are you sure?" thread. So I'm turning it back to the direction it started from. Why do you think God is a he besides the bible, SC?
"I imagine a lot of people tune in simply to watch reporters get bitch-slapped by Mother Nature, and frankly, who can blame them?� Anderson Cooper
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Registered: June 21, 2005
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Well of course it COULD be changed but personally i don't think it is. It was first written in Hebrew but i'm sure that the message of the text is still the same to a degree. And remember, the Christian religion is based on faith. Meaning I have never seen God, tasted him, smelled him, heard him, or touched him. But i still believe because of my faith...and of course the evidence that we do have.
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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quote: It doesn't change the message of the text.
Whoa, wait a sec... There usually aren't literal translations for things from language to language... certain words in english don't translate in other languages and vice versa... so the message CAN be changed...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: June 21, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by risika2004:
However, has anyone stopped to realize that the Bible is probably one of the greatest works of fiction to ever exist? It's been edited so much over the past years, that there's no real way to know what is true and what is not true.
It hasn't actually been edited. It's been translated into different translations. It doesn't change the message of the text.
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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Yes, but, as a Christian, I must believe what is plausible out of pure faith in the religion. For example, I understand that the laws of Leviticus do not need to be followed in today's society. To me, that is an example from the Bible that is not plausible. While all of it may be fiction, I have true faith that God exists and that Jesus was the Messiah so I believe what I feel is logical to believe, nothing more and nothing else. What else am I to follow in my religion if not the Bible?
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: April 03, 2004
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That's true Worth. However, has anyone stopped to realize that the Bible is probably one of the greatest works of fiction to ever exist? It's been edited so much over the past years, that there's no real way to know what is true and what is not true.
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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It says "He" in the Bible because the Bible was written in a very patriarchal time and because humans needed to give this amazing deity some kind of sense in the human world. God is neither male nor female.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: June 21, 2005
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I believe God is male becasue in the bible it says "He."
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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hmmm... this is an interesting thread... from the last time I posted until this time, I really can't say I have an opinion on the conversation... My views have stayed the same.. God is the almighty, neither race nor gender... God doesn't intervene in our lives... etc...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by WorthWaitingFor:
I apologize, hubbaloo, for not respecting your beliefs.
It just seems unreal to me that Christianity could be twisted to this view.
It's hard to accept.
Thanks for the apology. It's okay. I know I get flamy, and you didn't get anywhere near what I say at times. It's not really twisted, it's just an uncommon revelation. I can understand it being hard to accept. It goes against everything that you probably have ever known. Just like the trinity is hard for me to grasp because it's not like anything I've ever known.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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hmmmm something you all seem to assume is that God is a being that defines male and female as we do so really the correct way to adress God is almighty one and there is no male/female way to say that God is God and as such is a force in the universe again as St. Augustine called God "The Unmoving Mover" or as Dr. Wayne Dyer puts it the power of intention or even if you compare and think about these forces that are God even StarWars's Force could be an example of the Unmoving Mover.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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I apologize, hubbaloo, for not respecting your beliefs. It just seems unreal to me that Christianity could be twisted to this view. It's hard to accept.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by darksideroyalty:
I have absolutley no reason to believe in god. Do you? When was the last time he did anything to help you? Hurt you? the one that is most likely is that you were in pain. i havent read the bible but i heard that it states that he will not let his children suffer and if that was true why is there more suffering everyday? more homeless starving people who were just kicked off of welfare? think about it.
But do you believe that something created the Universe? It seems that you think the only God is the "God" of the Bible. There are other possibilities. I don't believe the Creator really cares about humans. Our problems are our own, not his/hers/its.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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gods a force of nature the "Unmoving Mover" this force is neither male nor female black nor white or any other race though I imagined God as a old black man with a sense of humor most of the time
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: June 15, 2005
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I have absolutley no reason to believe in god. Do you? When was the last time he did anything to help you? Hurt you? the one that is most likely is that you were in pain. i havent read the bible but i heard that it states that he will not let his children suffer and if that was true why is there more suffering everyday? more homeless starving people who were just kicked off of welfare? think about it.
darksideroyalty
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by WorthWaitingFor: quote: Originally posted by hubbabaloo: No, this isn't mainstream Christianity, this is Mormonism, a form of Christianity. God is the one god, because even after we have our own worlds, he'll still be our God. I can't really elaborate on this "other world" because I don't know about it. It sounds like sci-fi, I know, but it's really vague to me too. We don't know that God isn't the first God, it's just the logic would follow that he is an exalted being, from our other information. God's wife is NOT in the New Testament or the Old Testament. That is a LDS revelation. He didn't tell the prophets to put her in the Bible because of the Bible's wide publication, and the fact that Christ and God's names are used vainly, he couldn't bear her name used in that way as well. Animals have after-life, but they cannot gain a god-ship status. They just go on as God's creations. That's the difference between animal and human. Humans are God's Children. Animals are God's creations.  WorthWaitingFor, this isn't in our top teachings that we tell if someone just says, "What's Mormonism in a nutshell." It's called exaltation, and it's in the Young Women's Theme. "We are daughters of our Heavenly Father, who loves us and we love Him. We will stand as witnesses of God, at all times, in all things and in places, as we strive the Young Women Values, which are: Faith Divine Nature Individual Worth Knowledge Choice and Accountability Good Works Integrity We believe as we come to accept and act upon these values, we will be prepared to strengthen home and family, make and keep sacred coventants, receive the ordinances of the temple, and enjoy the blessings of exaltation" It's there. Go to lds.org the church's official site and search for "exaltation". There is one God in this world, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other worlds. I know to some, this sounds like blasphemy, and to others this sounds like total sci-fi, but it's so complex, that you can't possibly understand everything about it. I've been taught it my whole life, and I still don't understand it completely. God does, so I suppose that's what's important.
I understand that, in your particular sect or whatever, this is what you truly believe. But I personally think it's a load of crap. If you're going to believe in Christianity...well, then at least believe in basic Christianity. And in basic Christianity, God did not come from some other world, He was, is, and always will be. He created our world and did not come from another. And to everyone who will say, "Worth, this doesn't sound like you, you're telling hubb that what she believes isn't true and saying she's not a Christian, yadda yadda yadda.": Well, I'm usually very supportive of people who follow different faiths. But I feel that if someone is going to follow Christianity and say that they're following Christianity, and try to teach others about Christianity then...well...they should actually know about Christianity.
Worth. I know this isn't mainstream Christian. I acknowledged it. Why do we have over 500 sects of Christianity is there is A Christianity. Christianity means that you believe Christ to be your Savior, not that you believe in mainstream Christian beliefs.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: April 23, 2005
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quote: We aren't on the same level as Jesus, because he is
a) the first-born
b) the one who volunteered in the pre-existance to die for everyone's sins
Daddy's playing favorites!
Don't see Star Wars, it sucks the intelligence out of you
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: Well, there are other galaxies and other solar systems, Celtic, what's to say that they don't have worlds?
And please forgive my earlier error. Christ is not from another world, God is.
I said it as satire. What you said "other world" reminded me of the Twilight Zone, so I posted that.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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