So, this question came up on another thread, and I thought it deserved its own thread without disrupting the other.

Do animals have souls? Why or why not? Explain your reasons.

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My creativity is limited to art. Metaphors are usually beyond me

That's practically all I speak in.

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Elephants don't care about ants and ants surely don't see elephants as their creators

what the?

My creativity is limited to art. Metaphors are usually beyond me.

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Elephants don't care about ants and ants surely don't see elephants as their creators

You have no creative part to your brain, at all, do you?

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Now this doesn't have anything to do with this thread but since you are participating on this thread and clearly ignoring the Creationism Vs. Evolution thread I am going to put this here. Please go there an answer my question or I am going to assume that I won.

Sorry, I did not have as much time to post over the past couple of days, so I did not respond to everything.

Because of shads request I will post my responses to your ID related points on the Creation Vs evolution thread

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..said the ant about the elephant.

Elephants don't care about ants and ants surely don't see elephants as their creators.

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So you don’t consider evidence for the designer, because you don’t believe in a designer?

What? I don't consider what evidence? The universe? No, that's not evidence because it could be explained as coincidence. Taking the universe as evidence of an intelligent designer is like looking at a painting and assuming it was painted by an artist. It could have just as easily been painted by an elephant, or a savant, perhaps. Art is no more evidence of an artist than a design (the universe) is evidence of a designer. (If you want to get into semantics, yes, anyone who makes art is an artist, but that's beside the point.)

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The level increased, but not to the level that it would be fatal, just damaging. you would have to take into account the amount of radiation, and the thickness of the ozone.

So we would have all gotten nice sun tans instead. You've just proven the origin of tan people, congratulations. Anyways, I'd like to see a source for that theory, so I can look up on it more.

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Actually I said that it happened after humans had established themselves.

I need to get new glasses, apparently.

And if you want my opinion on what I'd say about the universe without th preconceived notion of no designer (I was actually brought up believing the universe was created, interestingly enough), you'll have to ask on the Creationism vs. Evolution thread, where it is more fitting.

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Guys, please don't debate ID on this thread. This is about animals and souls.

Sorry. I got caught up in my loathing of Neph

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Keep your fricken mouth shut if you don't have anything productive to add.

LTR kicks ass!

Guys, please don't debate ID on this thread. This is about animals and souls.

But if there are variations in species what is to say that all the animals now aren't just a variation of a single species.


Now this doesn't have anything to do with this thread but since you are participating on this thread and clearly ignoring the Creationism Vs. Evolution thread I am going to put this here. Please go there an answer my question or I am going to assume that I won.

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Why wouldn't it? Wouldn't microevolution (one word) be considered proof for evolution?

Because microevolution and macroevolution are two completely different things. In one you are talking about variation within a type of creature, while in the other you are talking about all creatures evolving from a single creature.

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From the perspective of technology, that is precisely what has happened. First of all we developed steam engines, then build up to proper combustion engines, then devcelop rocket fuel.

What you have described is the evolution of ideas, a progression of technology. What we don’t see is a person modifying his bike into a car and then into a plane and then into a space ship.

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Evolution in other areas is basically changes in other areas, for example the evolution of a car. You do not however see a car evolving into a space ship.

From the perspective of technology, that is precisely what has happened. First of all we developed steam engines, then build up to proper combustion engines, then devcelop rocket fuel.

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There will be changes and micro evolution and that does not conflict with beliefs held by those who believe in intelligent design.

Why wouldn't it? Wouldn't microevolution (one word) be considered proof for evolution?

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Having just seen my entire philosophy of religion class decide that ID is bunk, I can only conclude that a neutral stance leads naturally onto the side of evolution and of fate.

Schools don’t take a neutral stance, and every time they try to take a neutral stance it is blocked by the ACLU.

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Wouldn't we have just begun to age less when the radiation levels dropped again?

One of the main damages is an increase of genetic flaws and those don’t go away when radiation levels do.

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How do ID people explain the various stages of human evolution? And the fact that evolution is visible in economics and other spheres?

When you say various stages of human evolution I assume you are referring to micro-evolution. Micro evolution has been observed and I believe in Micro evolution.
Evolution in other areas is basically changes in other areas, for example the evolution of a car. You do not however see a car evolving into a space ship.
There will be changes and micro evolution and that does not conflict with beliefs held by those who believe in intelligent design.

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no. because they just dont

Oh wow! Good point! Where have you been? With logic like that this debate could have been settled long ago.

Keep your fricken mouth shut if you don't have anything productive to add.

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no. because they just dont

That isn't really an argument, you know,

no. because they just dont

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Originally posted by YouthVoice:
So, this question came up on another thread, and I thought it deserved its own thread without disrupting the other.

Do animals have souls? Why or why not? Explain your reasons.

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See what the evidence would say to someone that did not come with the preconceived idea that there is no designer.

Having just seen my entire philosophy of religion class decide that ID is bunk, I can only conclude that a neutral stance leads naturally onto the side of evolution and of fate. Sod's law is the most universal of all, including thermodynamics.

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The level increased, but not to the level that it would be fatal, just damaging. you would have to take into account the amount of radiation, and the thickness of the ozone.

Wouldn't we have just begun to age less when the radiation levels dropped again?

How do ID people explain the various stages of human evolution? And the fact that evolution is visible in economics and other spheres?

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You just described my dilemma. The reason I find it hard to believe the universe was designed is that I find it hard to believe in a designer. How could there possibly exist a being that powerful, and why would he/she/it care about creating us? And where would such a being come from?

So you don’t consider evidence for the designer, because you don’t believe in a designer? With that mentality I am not surprised that you believe in random chance over a designer. I would suggest laying your ideas about the existence of a designer to the side and looking at the evidence from a neutral stance. See what the evidence would say to someone that did not come with the preconceived idea that there is no designer.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that Earth got a nice dose of exploded star radiation at the same time the ozone layer thinned out? If what I know about solar radiation and ozone layers is true, that would either result in mutant humans or dead humans, not shorter-lived humans. Sounds like funk science to me.

The level increased, but not to the level that it would be fatal, just damaging. you would have to take into account the amount of radiation, and the thickness of the ozone.

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Besides, you say this happened before humans "established" themselves on Earth.

Actually I said that it happened after humans had established themselves.

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In this theory a supernova caused an increase of radiation that reached earth after Human life had established it’s self on earth.

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How could there possibly exist a being that powerful, and why would he/she/it care about creating us? And where would such a being come from?

..said the ant about the elephant.