Maya, I did read everything you said. I read "you" as general, almost always. Maybe it's the language's flaw, not mine?

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Now, I have a couple of questions: why do any of us need to believe in God? And if we do happen to believe (at least in a creator figure), why do we need to worship him?

We need to believe because that is the way God made us. There is a false sense of happiness and being if you don't believe in God or you search and search for a religion when you don't need a religion you need a faith.

We need to worship because eit brings you closer to Him. God wants to delevop a relationship with you and He wants you to follow Him and serve Him.

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In this forum, it will be recognised as trying to get your post count up, as in many other forums I've been in.

I accually never thought of doing that...But anyways I am a very werid person in the spilting up everything and numbers, letters and names...but I am getting better and I won't post anything sporatic anymore.

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Especially if it really doesn't make a difference in your life, why should you?

Well, it does make a difference in many people's lives. To claim that faith and God have no effect on the world, whether real or unreal, is a false and ignorant claim.

shade, next time you're going to answer like that to one of my posts please bother reading everything I said. I don't believe I ever said it doesn't make a difference in people's lives, I was responding to clpo who said that he's fine without believing in God. If you've read any of my other posts on the matter I always say that the reason I think the majority of people believe in God is because they need, it gives them faith in something and support. So next time, before calling me ignorant, please read.

Drummer Lady:

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A. Some are listening that is
B. Mostly because I can
C. It just kind of popped into my head lets talk about the rapture, so I put Jesus is coming back in hopes that someone will ask something about my commment and then we could talk about the rapture...maybe I need a new approach.......

A: No one is listening when you post similar things many times.
B: If you do it because you can, that's a pretty big waste of energy, and also annoying.
C: Then put it into context next time.

Also. Drummerlady, one post is sufficient. Just put all the info in to that one little reply box and you'll be fine. Three consecutive posts aren't smiled upon here.

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I know that I can make stuff all one post it is just I like the feeling of more than one sometimes but thanks.

In this forum, it will be recognised as trying to get your post count up, as in many other forums I've been in. And posting just to post or to get your count up is considered spam. In a trans forum I just joined, if you do this, your posts will be deleted, and worst-case-scenario, you will be banned. Be thankful yn isn't this strict, but also respect the general flow of the forum.



Brehon:

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That isn't actually a answer to my question. Basically, you seem to say that God made me, then forced Jesus to die for my sins. Because of this, Jesus, who was ostensibly human, loves me. I fail to see the logic here.

Jesus willingly died for every human here. He is part of Yahweh, and as part of him, loves you. The logic is all there if you try to understand.


Nephilim:

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Actually there is evidence for his existence. The question is will you believe the evidence.

I believe Brehon was talking about scientific evidence.

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The Creator and the Cosmos
The Genesis Question
Rare Earth
Darwin’s Black Box
The Case for Christ
The Finger print of God
Beyond the Cosmos
Origins of life
Without a doubt
Creation as a science

If these are books, please post the authors. And instead of requiring people to go out and read these eight or nine whole texts, perhaps summarise the information? Quote the information? But ye gods, don't make foot long posts of solid text!


Clpo:

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And if we do happen to believe (at least in a creator figure), why do we need to worship him?

I can at least answer this one. If you do happen to believe in Yahweh, worship him because he is your Maker. Or at least respect him.

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Every Christian feels the need to tell others about their faith.

Gah. Generalizations all around! Not every xian feels this way. I'm perfectly fine with you not knowing about my faith. If you ask, I tell. As I've quoted before..somewhere, faith is between me and God, not between me and man.


Maya:

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Especially if it really doesn't make a difference in your life, why should you?

Well, it does make a difference in many people's lives. To claim that faith and God have no effect on the world, whether real or unreal, is a false and ignorant claim.

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I know that I can make stuff all one post it is just I like the feeling of more than one sometimes but thanks. That and sometimes I am a visual person and I like to see the different topic things split up...untill I get lazy...

Alright, just letting you know. Others who get frustrated by this wont be so nice. But okay, whatever works for you lildrummergirl.

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By the way why do you think I am spending my time trying to convince you that God is real, and that he loves you?

Because you can. And you're stubborn. Every Christian feels the need to tell others about their faith. Sharing the faith is a rather necessary part of being a Christian.

But really, I'd rather you not try at all. It's a futile attempt because I've already decided my life is fine as it is. If God wants me to love him or whatever, he'll have to tell me himself. But even so, I've tried that route, Christianity, and found it lacking.

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Evidence of what nature? So far, the only "evidence" I've ever come across are coincidences, supposed miracles, and claims that the universe is "too perfect" to not have been created. That's not evidence. Evidence is based on hard proof, facts, data, what have you.

I have given you references to a lot of evidence. Whether you look at it or not is up to you. As I said on another thread, I can not prove that God exists; there will always going to be some level of faith involved. However I can make that case for God, and it will probably be more believable that Random lucky chance.
By the way why do you think I am spending my time trying to convince you that God is real, and that he loves you?

oh ok, misunderstood. Well I think you simply don't need to believe. Especially if it really doesn't make a difference in your life, why should you? Sorry I can't provide a better answer.
And the other thing is, we're never really going to know for certain, so what is the point in going crazy over it.

No, not why people do believe, but why people need to believe. I mean, I can understand that some people might need to believe they're part of something larger than themselves, but mainly my question is concerned with the idea of having to believe in God. Why do I need to believe in God if I'm perfectly happy not caring?

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why do any of us need to believe in God?

Because it gives people answers to things they can't understand or explain(and that is not acceptable, to not know something), and also I guess it gives people hope and support at times.

Evidence of what nature? So far, the only "evidence" I've ever come across are coincidences, supposed miracles, and claims that the universe is "too perfect" to not have been created. That's not evidence. Evidence is based on hard proof, facts, data, what have you.

Coincidences never count as evidence. If you see two people who look the same, you automatically assume they're twins, right? That's great, but in order to actually know if they're twins, you need to prove it. They could just be cousins, or two random people that just happen to look alike. You can't say "Oh, they look the same so they must be twins" just as you can't say "Well the Bible says stuff about stars, so it must be right." And indeed, the Bible does say things about stars, things that some theologians think people of Biblical times couldn't have known about. Or so I've heard.

Miracles can almost always be dismissed either as natural or completely fictional events. The parting of the Red Sea? Meteorological phenomenon. Jesus rising from the dead? Either someone lost the body or it never happened. There are a number of possibilities for miracles such as these, but one should never automatically jump to the supernatural conclusions.

As for the universe being too perfect for chance, I won't contest that here. But such a claim is not evidence in itself. As I said earlier, you can't offer up something as proof if it could simply be a coincidence. If you look at the universe and think it couldn't have come about by chance, you can't jump to the conclusion that someone must have created it. As long as there is the possibility it could have come about randomly, you can't readily accept one or the other without some manner of proof.

Essentially, the main point is this: you can believe what you want, but those beliefs are not evidence of anything.

Now, I have a couple of questions: why do any of us need to believe in God? And if we do happen to believe (at least in a creator figure), why do we need to worship him?

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People who write anti-science books tend to know little about science.

Who said the books were anti-science books. Actually most of the Books are written by nationally recognized scientists. The Bible support science and science supports the Bible.
Info on Hugh Ross http://www.reasons.org/about/staff/ross.shtml
And I don't know if you realize it Nephilem but ths debate, about God's existance/non-existance, has been going on forever, do you honestly think you can prove it with a couple books?

I don’t think I can prove anything conclusively. I was simply pointing out that those who believe in God do have evidence for their position.

People who write anti-science books tend to know little about science.

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Have you actually read any of the evidence that is out there for Gods existence.

I don't want to read about God's existance. And I don't know if you realize it Nephilem but this debate, about God's existance/non-existance, has been going on forever, do you honestly think you can prove it with a couple books? I think it's great that you believe in God, but stop trying to force your beliefs on other people god damn it!

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It also said that to believe in it just because we're afraid of going to hell, or because people just tell us it's so(but we don't really feel it), is worse than not believing, not to mention stupid as fuck.

I know that I can make stuff all one post it is just I like the feeling of more than one sometimes but thanks. That and sometimes I am a visual person and I like to see the different topic things split up...untill I get lazy...

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why? it's just words

There are bigger problems it was just that I prefer for you not to cus around me. You still can but I just asked you to please not do it.

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Evidence? Cough it up.

The Creator and the Cosmos
The Genesis Question
Rare Earth
Darwin’s Black Box
The Case for Christ
The Finger print of God
Beyond the Cosmos
Origins of life
Without a doubt
Creation as a science

Shall I go on?

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Actually there is evidence for his existence. The question is will you believe the evidence.

Evidence? Cough it up.

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whatever, this is why yesterday I told you it was pointless to argue with you.

Have you actually read any of the evidence that is out there for Gods existence. Have you even seriously looked at the possibility that God exists.

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well make it more clear next time.

Alright I will.

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Originally posted by lildrummergirl9:
Maya:
Please don't cus thanks

why? it's just words. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Does that hurt you? there are bigger problems in the world than cursing. like people not believing in God

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Actually there is evidence for his existence. The question is will you believe the evidence.

whatever, this is why yesterday I told you it was pointless to argue with you.

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They don’t want to have someone controlling their life.

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I was not saying that God controls your life

well make it more clear next time.

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We have no evidence that he exists

Actually there is evidence for his existence. The question is will you believe the evidence.

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God isn't supposed to control your life

I was not saying that God controls your life. The Idea that becoming a Christian means that God will control every detail of you life is a misconception. The point that I was making is that it is one of the reasons why people turn away from God.