Evolution is truth and doesn't need to be proven.

Just substitute the first word for any topic and you've got yourself an ironclad argument!

...or not. Truth requires proof. Always has, always will.

LTR just beat me to that comment.

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Whether they used the words missing link or whatever it still doesn't prove that it is true.

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The Bible is truth and doesn't need to be proven.

Ahahaha

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The Bible is truth and doesn't need to be proven.

Now do you see why I think you have blind faith?

Drummerlady. What are these? You failed to tell me.

the skull image at the garden tomb
garden tomb cross
the spear of longinus, the spear of destiny

Whether they used the words missing link or whatever it still doesn't prove that it is true.

The Bible is truth and doesn't need to be proven.

The garden tomb- the place of Jesus's burial founded in early 1880s by Charles Gorden
the skull image at the garden tomb
garden tomb cross
the wailing wall- A wall from the Temple in Jerusalam
the space under the 'rock' at the dome of the Rock/Temple Mount
Cave of Machpelah Tomb of the Patriarchs-The tombs of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Hebron.
The shround of turin
the spear of longinus, the spear of destiny,
the lancing spear is the lance that pierced Jesus while he was on the cross

It irritates me how the Bible can be assumed true with absolutely no proof for the supernatural bits, and yet evolution must be backed up with legions of evidence to be even considered a somewhat clever idea by creationists.

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evolution is not true, for evolution to be true you would need to find a couple hundred missing links and not just one that you think may fit there.

The bible is not true. For it to be true we would have to have co-existed with dinosaurs, making The Flintstones a documentary.

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No, because when people say Turin, I still think of Turin from Middle-earth. Also: ( what is it? )

The Shroud of Turin is supposed to be the burial shroud of Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

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Some artifacts:

Could you describe how we know they're what they are, and where they were found? And also, what some of them are?

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Has anyone else heard about that?

No, because when people say Turin, I still think of Turin from Middle-earth. Also: ( what is it? )

The Shroud of Turin was tested by three separate universities, all of which determined it dated back to no further than 1200 CE. In fact, most religious artifacts are not "authentic," instead having been recreated by medieval Christians. Not only that, but most of the artifacts you posted don't really have anything to do with...well, anything. They don't need to be disproved or proved because they don't mean anything. The wailing wall exists, yes. It was part of the second temple of Jerusalem which was razed by the Romans. It's a matter of historical fact that the temple existed and that only the western wall survived. I'm interested to hear why you think those are especially important in any spiritual sense.

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evolution is not true

No one said it was definitely true. Evolution is a theory. It has evidence but it has yet to be completely proven. However, you don't need to find every "missing link" in order for it to be accepted as mostly true.

In addition to the book finn suggested, you may be interested in The Science of God by Gerald Scroeder. He shows how science and religion fit nicely together, including evolution. I don't buy into it (since he's basically trying to prove how intelligent design is true), but it has a good bit on evolution in there in terms that any Christian can accept.

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evolution is not true, for evolution to be true you would need to find a couple hundred missing links and not just one that you think may fit there.

No real evolutionary biologist uses the term "missing link". It is extremely misleading.

Clearly you have no knowledge of evolutionary biology, the fossil record, geology, or the factors that result in natural selection. I won't go into them as this isn't an evolution debate board, but you could stand to read "What Evolution Is" by Ernst Mayr, who's name I almost definitely spelled wrong.

ikki - Yeah. The shroud has basically been blown to dust.

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The shround of turin

I swear I saw a show on the history channel about that a few years ago, and saying that it wasn't old enough when dated.

Has anyone else heard about that?

evolution is not true, for evolution to be true you would need to find a couple hundred missing links and not just one that you think may fit there.

Some artifacts:
The garden tomb
the skull image at the garden tomb
garden tomb cross
the wailing wall
the space under the 'rock' at the dome of the Rock/Temple Mount
Cave of Machpelah Tomb of the Patriarchs
The shround of turin
the spear of longinus
the spear of destiny
the lancing spear
the image of guadeloupe
mount of the beatitudes
Wax Pictures of Second Century Christians.
Crown of Thorns at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
Cave of John the Baptist's birth

I don't know why people turn away. I had some friend or actually we are still friend, but just not as close as we use to be.

And they where really into God or a lot of us thought that they where. I mean when you talked to them they where always talking about God and wanting to know more about him and all.

But somethings happened and then they just up and left church and they really, really have changed. I mean they had been going to church for like 14 years and the Dad was the Deacon at the church. And know we are still kind of like man I can't believe they did that.
Even though it's been 5 or 6 years everyone is still kind in shock that they left. We still talk to them and call them and we are still pray for them.

We know that if it's the Lord's Will then they will come back, but only the Lord can bring them back.
Only the Lord knows why things happen the way they do.

Surprise! we found some old manuscripts that prove that we're right!

how do we know that?

because we found them in the exact location the bible says and they're 2000 years old

how do you know they're 2000 years old?

Carbon Dating!

Then what about dinosaur bones that are 100 million years old, and fossilized sea life, and evolution?

uhhh...

As long as you don't mention the book of Judas or some other bullshit like that. Because that's already been disproved.

Did someone mention about books taken out to fit people in power at that time, or was that a different thread? The book of Enoch popped into my mind. ( I should read that, hmm.. )

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I guess that's why the only thing left is faith.

I have to agree with speed on this one. If you must have faith in something, it is unknowable. And it bugs me when I can't know something for certain.

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do you mind me asking what artifacts there are disproving? Sydney named some that were.

Um...you didn't answer my question. I'll post it again:

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What artifacts are you referring to if you don't mind me asking?

I can only assume that you are referring to the same ones Syd mentioned. Am I right or way off?

do you mind me asking what artifacts there are disproving? Sydney named some that were.

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see i'm not an idiot.

When did I imply this?