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Eh? Why laugh? In what context are you laughing! Who told you to laugh??

Eh...I don't think she was laughing at you Shade. :P

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To whom do you place your trust: Bagel or Cheese?!

Maya don't fall for it! The Orange Bagel is evil! Long live the Cheese!

Hmm, nope Triss. It's not usually a good picture when you look at the past. Everyone is given pain and everyone is given care, sometimes it may seem like an unbalanced portion of them. God isn't good; he isn't evil. He just is, and whatever Plan he has ( if indeed there is a so-called "plan" ) It most likely has little to do with us. We're probably the buildling blocks leading up to it. But on a personal, very personal basis, this life is ours to lead. It's ours. Ours. The consciousness is ours. The body is ours. The life is ours. And we have to learn to be better people. Sometimes things happen inexplicably. Sometimes not. ( I don't claim to have the answers ) But the trials you have had in the past, Triss, might--just might--be leading to either a bigger hurdle or a triumph, and you'll need every second of the past to get through.

Meh?

Let us first assume that everything that happens is according to God's will.

Let me now look back at my intire life...

So if everything is according to God's will, that means my intire life was planned by the bastard?

Not liking it...

Eh? Why laugh? In what context are you laughing! Who told you to laugh?? To whom do you place your trust: Bagel or Cheese?!

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If you can't figure that out, then I'm done with the conversation. I need to sleep anyway; far past when I should be unconscious.

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha

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He is real.

We've gone over this a bunch of times...you can't prove that. You believe she is real, you have faith in her, but you can't prove it. Therefore it is stupid for you to try to impose these beliefs on others, because you can't offer substantial proof other than "you just feel it", that may be proof for you but since we can't feel it it is not valid proof. I'm not saying you shouldn't believe in God, I'm saying it's pointless for you to try to convince other people, it is something personal.

So drummer, you believe in counting the hits and ignoring the misses. If you pray for something and it happens, God did it. If you pray for something and it didn't happen, then God just didn't want to do it.

Which brings up an interesting question: If God is only going to do things that fit into his "plan", and will essentially ignore your requests as he sees fit in order to execute his plan, and will allow things to happen that no one prayed for because those things are also part of his plan...why are you praying in the first place?

drummer, you have what I like to call blind faith. I suggest you encounter a transsexual relative, or that a member of your family gets hit by a car. God doesn't always smile upon you. And he won't always be there to catch you when you fall, or Fall, depending on if you're human or Angel. ( yes, I did have to add that. ) What I really think you should do is live life a little, and encounter...life, then decide about god. Yeah, that's all.

Well I'm sorry for your lost

I will now pray for ten consecutive heads and then flip a coin.

Tails.
Heads.
Heads.
Tails.
Tails.
Tails.
Heads.
Tails.
Tails.
Heads.

Well, shit. I guess that just didn't fit into his plan.

God is not an idea either. He is real. God answers your prayers when the time is right. Sometimes what you asked for doesn't fit into his plan. Sometimes it does. Right now mine are just starting to fit in.

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Just the thread in general. I should really start getting in the habit of using quotes more often...

They're useful.

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Staying up past my bedtime makes me hungry. And I couldn't think of a better metaphor than fast food.

Same here. And I actually thought it was pretty clever. Though I'll have to admit it made me laugh.

Staying up past my bedtime makes me hungry. And I couldn't think of a better metaphor than fast food.

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I am sorry for the misunderstanding on what I said before that bothered you, YV.

Ah, no worries. Thanks.

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I don't really see how this is a good thing. I distinctly remember being told that God would answer my prayers, but nobody mentioned anything about him doing it in a way we wouldn't notice. I mean, that seems to me kind of like ordering a hamburger one day and receiving a hot dog in the mail five weeks later. I wanted a hamburger right when I ordered it, not a hot dog when it was too late to make a difference.

I think Clpo was hungry when he posted this. :P

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I don't know who you were talking to, clpo, but I don't have much faith in my God. I do believe he exists, though.

Just the thread in general. I should really start getting in the habit of using quotes more often...

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The good thing about God, speed, is that he doesn't answer the way any of us would expect.

I don't really see how this is a good thing. I distinctly remember being told that God would answer my prayers, but nobody mentioned anything about him doing it in a way we wouldn't notice. I mean, that seems to me kind of like ordering a hamburger one day and receiving a hot dog in the mail five weeks later. I wanted a hamburger right when I ordered it, not a hot dog when it was too late to make a difference.

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Talking to God isn't like talking to things. God isn't a thing.

An idea is a thing, and God, be it incidentally real or nonexistent, is a human idea. Of course, talking to God is not quite like talking to a corporeal object. For me, having a chat with the latter is much more gratifying, though I don't mind engaging nonexistent entities in a good ramble now and then. Oscar Wilde is especially fun to talk to, but if I do it for too long, my lack of responses makes me feel ignored.

I find it insulting when people accuse me of "losing my faith", "running from God", "abandoning my religion", etc. Even more insulting is when people say they'll pray to God to save my soul.

No one can truly experience the way another person perceives the world. Our experiences are ours alone, lived through in unique ways. Therefore, you cannot assume that, just because God feels so real to you, everyone must feel that. Our abilities to experience religious feelings differ.

If you can't figure that out, then I'm done with the conversation. I need to sleep anyway; far past when I should be unconscious.

Then why did you say that God is not a slave, if you were not implying that I was saying that he is.

Did I say you said that? Good lord, we sound so juvenille.

He is. He's not. He is. He's not.

Give me proof, or I'll give you mine. It won't be on the boards. And it won't be pretty.

He is and I never said he was a slave.