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Picture of clpo13
Registered: November 05, 2004
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Now, hopefully, you are not a drug dealer, would you explain what it you really do, or just not care and talk about drug dealing?


Depends on what kind of mood I'm in, but I get your point.

I don't actually believe all religions are, in a sense, true. But it explains why there are so many of them.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 19, 2007
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Show me the proof, chief.


There has been proof about half a dozen times just look back no one feels like going into it again.

Shade nothing is ever going to change on this board I have a feeling.


~`~`~`~`Smiley Steven`~`~`~`~
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Registered: January 16, 2003
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Nothing, truly nothing has changed?


Not that I know of...or maybe it did and it flew by me.

*ponders*


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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How sad. Nothing, truly nothing has changed?


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
Picture of YouthVoice
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Same ol same ol.


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Picture of Shade
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I've been boycotting this board. What's going on?


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...


*pokes Speed*

Razz


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: February 05, 2005
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Don't kid yourself Speed. I could just as easily say, the only reason you question religion in the first place is because you see the truth in it but not willing to accept it.

The truth is that I'm bored at my office with nothing to do so I think about these issues and post my conclusions.
You got very close to a question I was expecting but you didn't fully ask it. Why do I question religion? likewise, why do you defend it? what motivates you to do so?
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Did anybody else have the same reaction I had when I read that? Almost a jaw-breaking fucking yawn?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...


If god existed he'd be right winged
Picture of Jenos
Registered: May 03, 2003
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Maybe it is true have you ever thought of that.


Did anybody else have the same reaction I had when I read that? Almost a jaw-breaking fucking yawn?

In the words of the wise Deltron Zero, "Everything that has truth has proof."

Show me the proof, chief.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
Picture of Eagle63B
Registered: February 06, 2007
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Clpo:
Think for example, you have a son. That son has a career day at his kindergartens class. He stands up in front of his class and introduces you as a drug dealer. Now, hopefully, you are not a drug dealer, would you explain what it you really do, or just not care and talk about drug dealing?

For every religion to be an interpretation of the same idea, maybe could considering in a very board spectrum even true. However, the theology taught in the vast majority of all of them, there is no way they can all teach the "truth". Now the question is, "Does God Care". I would say yes. If I believed no, then that is a God I guess I would care about as much to know about as he cares to explain.


"Come now, and let us reason together!" Says the Lord... -Isaiah 1:18
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And I agree with you when you say that most religions afe false I disagree with you however in stating that Christianity is false.


Why?

Hell, why does it even matter?


The more you know, the less you don't know.
Picture of Eagle63B
Registered: February 06, 2007
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Another issue that further proves my point is the simple fact that you seem bothered enough by my statements to respond to them.
I would have thought that you wouldn't need to, as you seem to possess absolute truth about the divine origin of everything and so on.


Don't kid yourself Speed. I could just as easily say, the only reason you question religion in the first place is because you see the truth in it but not willing to accept it.

You've obviously put some thought into your reasoning for believing what you do. Well, so have I. I believe in God from a philosophical point of view, not because anyone told me to. So for someone to so presumptuous as to tell me I believe in God cause I was scared as a child into it, I feel warrants correcting.


"Come now, and let us reason together!" Says the Lord... -Isaiah 1:18
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Registered: February 10, 2007
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By the way I meant to say flood not food I fixed it now.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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Oh yes. How could I possibly of mistaken you as a run of the mill christian?


draft beer not soldiers...
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*spits water out that she was drinking*
HAHA! You're not? What then?



I disagree with many Christians on:

The age of the earth
The reach of the flood in Genesis
Whether there was animal death before the fall
Predestination
God’s actions
And Gay issues.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Also I am not your mainstream Christian; I disagree with a lot of Christians on many different issues.

*spits water out that she was drinking*
HAHA! You're not? What then?


draft beer not soldiers...
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I never said they all had to be true. However, have you considered that they may just be different interpretations of the same thing? All religions have their surface differences, but they are all more or less fundamentally the same.

Not really there is a big difference between a religion that says that we are all part of god and a monotheistic religion. Religions have many major differences and I many cases directly contradict each other.

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I'm sorry if that bothered you Shade but you have to admit that both AK and nephilem are stereotypical christians that aren't capable of maintaning a conversation outside of their terms. If their life depended on merely considering the possibility that god doesn't exist they would both die.


Well according to speed I am dead. I have considered that God does not exist and I can assure you I am not dead, (although I some times wish I was dead when I am about to take a test, or haven’t done homework. Smile). Also I am not your mainstream Christian; I disagree with a lot of Christians on many different issues.

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Whilst some might refute this simply based on the same faith I'm questioning, the fact that this has been taken like some sort of personal attack by many does point to the intolerant nature that many christians adopt because of their doctrine.

Like you are tolerant. And I agree with you when you say that most religions afe false I disagree with you however in stating that Christianity is false.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Registered: January 19, 2007
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Do all christians repeat the same cliches over and over? I've heard this exact phrase countless times in my life. Get a new vocabulary.


Maybe it is true have you ever thought of that.


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I'm sorry if that bothered you Shade but you have to admit that both AK and nephilem are stereotypical christians that aren't capable of maintaning a conversation outside of their terms. If their life depended on merely considering the possibility that god doesn't exist they would both die. I hope that put's my wording into perspective.

Then again, I didn't think you would feel identified with what I said, mostly because from previous conversations I've had with you I beleived you to be one of those exceptional christians with a much wider scope on reality.

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I'll answer this with a quote: "I contend that we are both atheists; I just believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you will understand why I reject yours." This is, unofficially, speed's motto (and a very good quote, to boot).

Precisely.

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My question to you is this: how are you any better than speed? He rejects all religions. You reject all but one. The fact that both of you reject any religions puts you both on the same level.

He still hasn't said he's better than me and I sure as hope he doesn't Wink
The reason I chose Christianity as my example was precisely because I expected to get a negative reaction from some of you. I could have exemplified my posture with islam just as well, maybe even better due to the inevitable cultural alienation, but if I had used Islam you wouldn't see this as a criticism of religion. You would merely see an atheist doing you a favor by discrediting a faith which you consider heretical at best.
I had to use christianity as my example because it was the only religion anyone here would positively identify with, and thus understand.

Whilst some might refute this simply based on the same faith I'm questioning, the fact that this has been taken like some sort of personal attack by many does point to the intolerant nature that many christians adopt because of their doctrine.


If god existed he'd be right winged
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all religions can’t be true


I never said they all had to be true. However, have you considered that they may just be different interpretations of the same thing? All religions have their surface differences, but they are all more or less fundamentally the same.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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