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Picture of Eagle63B
Registered: February 06, 2007
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Shade:

Yes God Created us, but that does not mean that God is like us. To be "Created in his image" and to be God, are obviously separate. As I said before it is impossible for God to do/be wrong, it would therefore not make him God anymore.


"Come now, and let us reason together!" Says the Lord... -Isaiah 1:18
Picture of Nephilem
Registered: February 10, 2007
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Well that doesn't rekindle my faith one bit.

I don’t doubt that. In fact I doubt that there is anything I can do that would rekindle your faith in God.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Picture of YouthVoice
Registered: January 16, 2003
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Have you ever considered he may be too busy fighting Satan, Chuck Norris-Style, to answer everyone's prayers?


Ahahaha! I must admit I pictured that in my head. I blame Meg for that. :P


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: January 15, 2003
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I am not God so I can’t answer for him why he does not always answer prayer. I have prayed for many things some times I have gotten the answer I wanted other times I have not. Sometimes I get an answer latter, when I really need it. I do know that in the bible God tells us that sometimes the answer to our prayers can be slowed by demonic activity, and that the answer to our prayer depends on what we are praying for, and why we are praying for it.


Have you ever considered he may be too busy fighting Satan, Chuck Norris-Style, to answer everyone's prayers?

Seriously though, you believe what you want, we'll believe what we want. Personally, I prefer not to pussify myself by putting all my problems and issues in the hands of God. I prefer to fight tooth and nail and push through my own hardships. In the end, I become stronger. I don't know if he exists or not, but I think prayer is a waste of time I could use actively solving my problems. But if you think otherwise, that's cool. But don't try to change anyone that doesn't want to be changed. It's annoying.
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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Which god did you pray to?

Exactly what YV said. The same one you do.
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I am not God so I can’t answer for him why he does not always answer prayer. I have prayed for many things some times I have gotten the answer I wanted other times I have not. Sometimes I get an answer latter, when I really need it. I do know that in the bible God tells us that sometimes the answer to our prayers can be slowed by demonic activity, and that the answer to our prayer depends on what we are praying for, and why we are praying for it.

Well that doesn't rekindle my faith one bit.


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Hmph, or as sometimes I suspect, angelic activity. Don't ask me for my reasons on this. Some angels, just aren't all there.


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I am not God so I can’t answer for him why he does not always answer prayer. I have prayed for many things some times I have gotten the answer I wanted other times I have not. Sometimes I get an answer latter, when I really need it. I do know that in the bible God tells us that sometimes the answer to our prayers can be slowed by demonic activity, and that the answer to our prayer depends on what we are praying for, and why we are praying for it.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
Picture of YouthVoice
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For people I care about, only.


Smile


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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You have a good heart Shade, though you deny it.

For people I care about, only.

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Can you tell me what the source is?

I could, but I'm dodging the answer. Recognise it, respect it. You wouldn't believe me even as I don't believe you. That was the point.

Ditto, Triss.


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Which god did you pray to?


I can answer that one. The same one YOU pray to. Wink


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Exactly. I used to pray to God.

Which god did you pray to?


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Registered: October 22, 2006
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I beleive God exists, however I also beleive he doesn't care about what happens to me.


J'irai bien.
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What of people who ask God for help and never get an answer or that help they were asking for? What do you tell them?

Exactly. I used to pray to God. I asked him a million things. I begged and pleaded. Nothing ever happened. My only conclusion is that he does not exist.


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Registered: January 16, 2003
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Eh...I already knew all that, since I have read the Bible. But thank you anyways. I will however address one part of your post:

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Also God does help directly, but he does not act unless he is asks. Basically he is not going to go and fix up someone’s life, if that person does not want Gods help.


What of people who ask God for help and never get an answer or that help they were asking for? What do you tell them?


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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And I must admit that though I do believe in God I have questioned why there are so many injustices in the world and why people suffer so. I had no answers but that "God works in mysterious ways" and that sometimes, many times, is not enough to satisfy my thirst for answers or for justice.

Yes I would agree that the answer God works in mysteries ways is not a good answer for why the world is the way it is. The world is the way it is today because of sin, and because of Satan. Man destroys each other, and continually puts forth more evil into the world. Not only is Man creating problems, but Satan, and his demons are also thrown into the Mix. They hate God, and Gods creation, so they attack what God has made.
Now that is why the world is the way that it is.
To address your second part of the question why does God not do anything about the Problem, The answer is he does. He sent Christ to die for the sins of the world and commands his followers to show kindness to the world, and to help the needy. Also God does help directly, but he does not act unless he is asks. Basically he is not going to go and fix up someone’s life, if that person does not want Gods help.
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I have this from a source as reliable as your Bible.

Can you tell me what the source is?


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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In other words, YV, you don't want to become me?


Frown

You have a good heart Shade, though you deny it.


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Eagle, as I understood it, God was everything in the beginning, or he was the only thing. If that is so, he had evil, he had good, he had chaos, he had everything. And, he is a Creator, we are not.

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I find it interesting for people blaming God for the condition the world is now.

Maybe the Divine is dead and we don't know it.

In other words, YV, you don't want to become me? Big Grin


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God has given us everything we need... But I am afraid to say the condition the church is in now, no one even expect us to help...


I'm afraid that yes, too many are disappointed of the church and the people who claim to do things in the name of God. I for one, left very disappointed from a church I had been attending for about four years. There was too much focus on finances and not on the souls. I guess it's true when it is said that the people are only going to get colder and that it's only going to get worst. A lot of people could care less to step on others in order to archive their own goals. I've heard of people killing to steal five dollars from someone or to take from them a pair of shoes. I am, on a personal level, fighting myself not to become desensitized by all of the suffering. I want to help. I don't want to become a selfish bitter person who could careless about the world. And that is one of the reasons why I joined this website, to meet other people that wanted to do the same and to find more tools that I could utilize in the aid of others. I'm afraid I am failing to do the things I set out to do, but I have only myself to blame for that. Frown


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Picture of Eagle63B
Registered: February 06, 2007
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YV. If God intervened every time something bad happened, he's have no purpose for people like you and I, and those that make up the Church.

He asked us to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and shelter the homeless. Now my question to you, is the church doing that? I met a man in Guatemala who ran a hospital for homeless children and I asked if he thought his hospital helped as much as he visioned. He said that once a month he gets maybe 1 doctor to volunteer about 8 hours... That man has done all he could, it is up to others to do something to help.

God has given us everything we need... But I am afraid to say the condition the church is in now, no one even expect us to help...


"Come now, and let us reason together!" Says the Lord... -Isaiah 1:18
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I find it interesting for people blaming God for the condition the world is now.


I don't think it is about blaming God for the condition of the Earth, but rather asking how come He doesn't intervene to stop it. I think that people want to know if God is so powerful and full of love how come He doesn't stop all the unfair and horrible things that are happening in the world. How come he lets all of those children starve to death and innocent people die in horrible ways.

Now, I know that we have free will and that God let's us choose to do evil or good. I know that God works in "mysterious ways" and that we should have faith. Still, many times I do wonder when and if all of this suffering is ever going to end. I don't know, perhaps I'm just an ignorant fool who dares to question her maker, but that's how things are right now. Frown


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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