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Registered: March 16, 2007
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a lot of people just go by what they here but if you have any questions about it just post and or noisemail me and i will try to give the best awnser posable!
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Registered: November 05, 2006
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I am not pointing out bad things about catholics. Im simply saying I didnt believe Mary lied without sin. I apologize if this was tooken the wrong way. I may not understand or agree with everything catholics do but Christains are Christians and thats what it comes down to.
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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As far as my understanding of Catholic theology goes, Mary was believed to have been born without original sin, not necessarily that she did not sin during her life. And I'm fairly positive that Jesus sinned according to the Bible. Don't ask me for specific places in scripture though, I wouldn't even know where to start.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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I want to be sure and point out that I am not criticizing, simply asking. Mouthoftruth seems more like he is mocking or pointing out the bad things about catholics, I was simply asking. Thanks clpo13.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: November 05, 2006
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i agree with bushsupporter. I dont believe Mary was without sin. And at one time my mom was catholic and unless somethings changed they dont read the bible in church they have a pamphlet with that days scripture. Im not saying they dont read the bible but its not part of any routine of there church.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: I have always thought that Jesus is the only mortal to have lived without sin.
I don't know about Mary, but I was under the impression that Christians considered Jesus to be more than simply mortal. Anyways, here is a Catholic discussion of Mary being without sin, and here is a non-Catholic article about it. I can't seem to find a straight answer. Catholics believe it one way, Protestants another...very confusing. But by the looks of the Catholic website, the only biblical reference to Mary being sinless is a rather vague statement by Gabriel where he addresses her as being "full of grace".
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: Originally posted by mouthoftruth22:
question? whats with the popes pointy hat?
What's with your stupid picture?
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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quote: Originally posted by blueyedqt:
orangegoddess:
In our church the laity does receive the body and blood of Christ. At the age of 7 to 10 most catholic children have received there first communion. This means they have taken part of the holy communion. I am taking it that you have never been to a catholic mass before. If you do attend one every one takes part in it that has received there first communion.
Mary: we do not see her as equal to God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. We respect her because she not only gave birth to Christ but was with out sin her whole life. We do not worship her.
I have a question that may help you to understand. Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? That kind of what we ask of Mary to pray for us.
Meagan87: if I left something out or feel you need to add please do.
I think that program this will greatly impact the church’s youth (I being one). I would really like to see a program like that come to my parish or the surrounding ones. This I think would not just lead to a better understanding but also to more participation from the youth. Hopefully this program will spread and spread fast.
You may not be in a position to answer this, but as a protestant, I have always thought that Jesus is the only mortal to have lived without sin. I could certainly be wrong, maybe you could point me to a passage in the protestant Bible that says Mary was always without sin.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: November 05, 2006
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question? whats with the popes pointy hat?
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Registered: November 05, 2006
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me and my protestant friends want to know when yur lightbulb went out blueyedqt? when was the last time you sat and wonder what you did wrong.
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Registered: March 16, 2007
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i will ask my priest tonight. we have P.R.E class tonight. i will post what he says in the morning.
Social justice cannot be attained by violence. Violence kills what it intends to create. - Pope John Paul II
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: When I was confirmed last April (2006) I was told that this process it to confirm your beliefs in the church (hence confirmation), and that you would try your best to uphold the faith and pass it to your children.
Right that's what I was told when I got confirmed, but I also got the "As christ was anointed priest, prophet and king, so shall you be and share in that ministry" line during the actual service. That's what I'm asking about
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 16, 2007
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AM: When I was confirmed last April (2006) I was told that this process it to confirm your beliefs in the church (hence confirmation), and that you would try your best to uphold the faith and pass it to your children.
I was also told that this also makes you an adult in the church.
So we are still lay people just adult lay people
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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Amp: Given the difference between Confirmation and Holy Orders, I would imagine even confirmed persons are still considered lay persons. As my church always put it, Confirmation was the sacrament that made you an adult in the church. I think that's the extent of it. It isn't my area of expertise though, so I could be mistaken.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I think OG has outdated info. Back when the only accepted (and easily obtainable) translations of the Bible were in Latin, only the priests could read it (since lay people barely knew how to read their own language, let alone Latin). Now, Bibles are easier to find in any language and more people know how to read. That and the Catholic church is a little less strict in what lay people can and cannot do.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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quote: Also, I don't know what OG means when she says that lay people don't get to read the Bible...I've got a Bible sitting roughly a foot and a half away from me, it's no longer the most attractive Bible in the world, but it's been used.
Yeah I wondering about that to. I have *counts* 4 bibles in my room alone and all of them have be highlighted and tabbed to my favorite verses and research I've been doing. So i'd like to think my bibles are all pretty well thumbed. They might not be good looking but the origionals were probally bound in camel hide so I think my old worn covers are a step up. I actually have a question that was never adaquetly explained to me during my confirmation courses. Does the confirmed populace of the church actually count as lay persons? When I was confirmed there was a bit in there about "As christ was anointed priest, prophet and king, so shall you be and share in that ministry" (paraphrased but it's been over a year since confirmation) That sounds mildly like an ordination to me and while I think it doesn't count, I'd love to get a 2nd/3rd opinion
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 16, 2007
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thank you. yeah i know what your saying about the bible when they are reading you can read right along with them and all that the priest reads is the gosple
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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You did a good job with explaining about Mary. Something I would just like to add though would be about the Hail Mary. Many people look at the fact that we have a Mary prayer and automatically assume it means we are praying to Mary. If you actually look at it though: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (This part all establishes Mary as a holy person and kind of builds up her credibility.) Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen. (And this final part asks her to pray for us.) Also, I don't know what OG means when she says that lay people don't get to read the Bible...I've got a Bible sitting roughly a foot and a half away from me, it's no longer the most attractive Bible in the world, but it's been used.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: March 16, 2007
Posts: 23
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orangegoddess:
In our church the laity does receive the body and blood of Christ. At the age of 7 to 10 most catholic children have received there first communion. This means they have taken part of the holy communion. I am taking it that you have never been to a catholic mass before. If you do attend one every one takes part in it that has received there first communion.
Mary: we do not see her as equal to God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. We respect her because she not only gave birth to Christ but was with out sin her whole life. We do not worship her.
I have a question that may help you to understand. Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? That kind of what we ask of Mary to pray for us.
Meagan87: if I left something out or feel you need to add please do.
I think that program this will greatly impact the church’s youth (I being one). I would really like to see a program like that come to my parish or the surrounding ones. This I think would not just lead to a better understanding but also to more participation from the youth. Hopefully this program will spread and spread fast.
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Registered: November 09, 2006
Posts: 144
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if the catholic church say that it is the real church and the one God is with.. why do most of the laity don't get to be good and holy? they dont really get to read the Bible and understood what it meant but took things literally like the Host as the supposed Body of Christ and the chalice that is supposedly to be the blood of Christ, why is it only being drunk by the priest and not shared with the laity as what it should be? why do you consider Mary as a god? i think catholics pay much more respect to Mary than Jesus Christ and God.
matt.13:16 But blesssed are your eyes for they see:and your ears, for they hear.
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