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Originally posted by Euterpe:
Eh, I don't think you can argue with the Bible, and then ask people to use "credible evidence" to oppose you. Because not everyone is Christian, not everyone can use the Bible as a platform for argument. Since nobody else outside of the authors of the Bible wrote about Jesus at great length (to my knowledge), you'd have to take interpretations as argument.

What I meant by 'credible evidence' was a document written around the time of Christ saying that He was married. You are right. Nobody but the authors of the Bible wrote at great length about Jesus until at least one hundred years after his birth. I was not arguing using the Bible on the premise that it is 'God's inspired word' (although I believe it is). I was using it to show that it is the only doecument (or documents, rather) taht were written within a reasonable period time after His life. It is reliable in that new discoveries of manuspcipts being discovered even today still match the Bible, almost word for word. So I took the Gnostic Gospels out of the realm of 'credible evidence' and asked for more. I wanted manuscript evidence. And, if we are to go on interpretation, we can look at the writings of Ploycarp, the Bishop of Smyrna. He was the Apostle John's disciple. He never met Jesus. He wrote about John teaching him that Jesus is God, and therfore it follows that Jesus never married. So we see that interpretation of the Bible as traditional, being passed down from Jesus' most-beloved disciple down to us today. I bet you the interpretation that Jesus was married doesn't have those kinds of connections!

Speaking the truth in Love,
Chris

Erm, that's not what I meant, but that was cute.

You're right, Jesus and Mary were more than friends. He was her God and Savior. I feel the same way about Him. I love him for than anything in this entire world - honestly. I'd give up everything that I have for Him. Christians definitely love God more than they would a lover or a friend. Not to confuse you, when I say Christian, I don't mean people who go to church, or even people who believe Christianity is true. I'm talking about true Christians, disciples of Christ, who have asked God for forgiveness, have a relationship with Him, and look forward to an eternity spent in His presence.

I stick my tongue out at the revival of this thread. And point both my thumbs down. To Hell.

Is it possible to lament your wrongdoings without believing in the divinity of Jesus, and still inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, or do you have to be a christian?

I heard a funny joke: Jesus is an italian, here's why:
1.) he lived with his mother into his thirties
2.) he hung out with a group of men and never got married
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3.) his mother thought he was god

I thought it was funny...

Eh, I don't think you can argue with the Bible, and then ask people to use "credible evidence" to oppose you. Because not everyone is Christian, not everyone can use the Bible as a platform for argument. Since nobody else outside of the authors of the Bible wrote about Jesus at great length (to my knowledge), you'd have to take interpretations as argument.

I don't think Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, although I always got the feeling if they were not lovers, they were more than friends. Just my $0.02.

Lol, and if you're wrong, you won't know, will you? That's the best thing about having faith: If there is no afterlife, you won't know there isn't and nobody can shove it in your face. But if you're right, you STILL can't shove it in someone's face because there's no elevator from heaven to hell to visit the damned. ...Yet.

1. Wow. As a Christian, I must say I'm appalled. To say that you don't need Jesus to live forever because we all live forever, whether in Heaven or Hell is simply bad theology. You should sit down, open up the Book, learn good doctrine (2 Timothy 2:15-16) and then preach. According to John 14:6, Jesus is the life. To exist apart from Him is to exist in death. 'Eternal death' is the precise term the word of God uses. We do not all live forever. We all exist forever. Some of us will exist in life forever. Others, will exist in death forever. I would like to know what 'very wise person' once said that.

2. Aguagon, God is not an egotistical *****. You forget that God does not damn us to Hell, we damn ourselves to Hell. If you would not disobey the law of God daily, you would have no problem. You also forget that God has provided a way out from under damnation. He did this by dying in your place. you refuse to accept it and give control of your life over to God. Makes me wonder just who is really egotistical.

3. Yogore, the story never changed. If I come and knock on your door, you'd still have to open it and invite me in.

4. Ikki14Reed, all you need to do is confess with you mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved. Acts is not a doctrinal book. If you want Christian doctrine, go to the epistles, not to Acts. Baptism is the first step of obedience. It's not necessary, but once you're saved, you want to be obedient. Why didn't Jesus ever marry? Because His wedding is to his Bride, the church, as described in the book of Revelation.

5. Northstar316, her name is Mary Magdalene. And you think Jesus married her, some think Jesus studied in India, some think Jesus was an alien. There is no credible proof to show that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, or anyone else for that matter.

6. Stuckonsushi, you're confusing the baptism of water with the baptism of the Spirit. They are separate. the water is a symbol, the Spirit saves you. Baptism of the Holy Ghost comes upon someone at the moment of salvation. That's how he interceeds for us with groanings which no man can understand (Romans 8).

7. Druid, I know Hell is real because the Bible says Hell is real. And I believe that everything in the Bible is true. It is faith. Christianity is not science, therefore the same laws of science cannot be uniformly applied to it. And I have done the research. I've read non-fiction books on the subject, not ones written by a novelists which sit in the fiction section of the bookstore. You must know that all the Gnostic Gospels were written betwen A.D. 200 through A.D. 500. That's long after the cannonical gospels and the life of Christ Himself. You show me credible evidence proving that Jesus Christ was married to anybody.

8. Wjrice80, that's right. Not that you need my stamp of approval. But the pro's of believing in God far outweigh the pro's of being an atheist/agnostic. If there is no God, then I've lived a pretty righteous life in comparison to others, something to be proud of. But if there is, then I spend eternity in Heaven. Looking at it from your angle, if there is no God, you were right and I was wrong. But there is no consequence for me being wrong. But if I'm right, then you go to Hell forever. You choose.

That pretty much sums up the crusade..

Speaking the truth in Love,
Chris

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if your right, and hell doesn't exist, then when you'll die you'll never know, but if were right and it does, you'll suffer forever... I'm just using simple logic

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So now you're automatically saying that I'm going to hell? You don't even know me. Hahaha.

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1.) You'de know hell is real how? You can sit here and tell me God is real because you feel him. So you feelin' Satan too there, chief?
2.)Do the research. There is a large amount of evidence to support the contrary, that Jesus did in fact marry.[/QUOTE]



if your right, and hell doesn't exist, then when you'll die you'll never know, but if were right and it does, you'll suffer forever... I'm just using simple logic

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ok number one: hell is not a threat its just something that does exist
number two: Jesus never married anybody

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1.) You'de know hell is real how? You can sit here and tell me God is real because you feel him. So you feelin' Satan too there, chief?
2.)Do the research. There is a large amount of evidence to support the contrary, that Jesus did in fact marry.

Yes, baptism is not NECESSARY to be a Christian. But it is important to symbolize your decision to give your life to God. It also opens up the doors for God to move in your life.

And of course there will always be those types of people that are oh so self-righteous. But really, how can they come between us and God? Like you said, it's between you and God only. We just shouldn't let people like that cause us to not go to church, which is also a big part of growing in one's relationship w/ God.


I very much agree w/ your last comments on baptism. Everything aside, there is nothing if one's heart is not in the right place =]

I personally think u don't need baptizm to be a christian. Some christians would probably bite my head off and call me a heathen for saying that but i really dont care. To me being a christian is more of a relationship than a religion. In church there will always be those that take on the holier than thou act which really pisses me off. I prefer to worship in private. and as for the baptism without accepting him into your heart: i believe that it makes the baptism null and void. But thats just me.

Hey, could you answer my other questions?

ok number one: hell is not a threat its just something that does exist
number two: Jesus never married anybody
number three: I never changed any story God is always there he could force you to believe but instead he waits for you to invite Him in. By opening the door you are asking him to come.

Just clearin some stuff up.

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Jesus married Mary Magdolin...we think

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I could see that...

O, the things they refuse to tell you in Sunday School...

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I've set it before, I'll say it again: if this is true, then God is one hell of an egotistical prĩck. If I ever do believe in a God, I'm definitely going for a more loving, less conceited one.

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I 100% agree with you on this one.

Jesus married Mary Magdolin...we think

So what is it? Do you have to simply accept Jesus and God into your heart, or do you have to be baptized? And if you accept it and aren't baptized, then is the acceptance void? Also, what if you're baptized and don't accept him into your heart?

Finally, why didn't Jesus ever marry?

(Acts 2:38)

What is this, is YN now a branch of the church? That's so stupid. All you have to do to feel bad for your "sins" is a brain and a heart. You don't need an inflated rouge from a fallen country to help you there. You should also not have the threat of hell be the only thing that keeps you a good person.