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I find it funny that you think I haven't. I could easily say "Why don't we think for ourselves and stop using a book to tell us how to live" but I won't.

But you did. Wait...that was your whole point. Darn.

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well, i didnt say he is ominipotent, neither the Bible. and i do agree also that he is not omnipotent.

Not omnipotent? What kind of god is that? I mean, this guy is supposed to rule the entire universe and you're telling me he can't do everything?

Nephilem:

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And secondly both of the verses that you cited about what God could do , was God, or a angle reassuring a servant of God, who was about to do a very difficult thing that God was with them, and could get them threw anything.

Oh, hardly a good reason. That's called misrepresentation, that is. Now I've even less reason to believe it.

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Eternal life or Eternal Death.

Eternal death? Death is not something that lasts for eternity. You die and that's it. If you keep on dying (or die for eternity), that counts as eternal life, although a rather crappy one.

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But they all have the same meaning as the original.

Similar meanings, perhaps, but the difference in wording can cause very big problems, as I have pointed out. Heck, look at Japanese warning signs. Translate them directly into English and they'll mean the same thing, but they'll be a whole lot funnier since it'll be a poor translation.

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The "rising" they're talking about is the rising after death, that the spirit is not dead. But the body will never rise again.

I understand that. But the wording makes it seem as if some spirits will not rise at all.

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No matter which translation you read, the fact it what is being referred to is not what your quoting. Your taking a verse out of context... it's obvious you haven't read 1 Cor 13.

Oh really? I'll have you know I've read the entirety of 1 Corinthians. And 2 Corinthians...heck, I've read the majority of the New Testament, and a good portion of the Old. Do not presume to tell me what I have and have not done.

Secondly, even when taken in context, the verse is essentially saying "Love...believes all things." (The KJV uses charity to mean love.) This is really no better. So instead of believing all things without question, we're to believe all things without question when we're in love. And since believing in and worshiping God is all about love...my point still stands.

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Why don't we think for ourselves and actually look into the biblical verses we quote?

I find it funny that you think I haven't. I could easily say "Why don't we think for ourselves and stop using a book to tell us how to live" but I won't.

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He threw Christ!

Le gasp!

Ahahahaha! Oh man, I'm so thankful I wasn't eating anything at the moment I read this. I would have spit it right at the screen when I burst out laughing. :P

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Actually it is Gods will that none should parish but that all come to a saving knowledge of him, threw Christ

He threw Christ!

Le gasp!

question: why the hell does God care so much about us believing in her? what is the big deal if we don't? Why does she need so much worshipping(sp?) if she's God?

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ok but if you don't then she wants you to suffer?

Whether we go to heaven or hell is our choice, Jesus died for everyone, but he is not going to force us to go to heaven.

Clpo, the idea you think you've found a contradiction in 1 Cor 13:7 is laughable.

No matter which translation you read, the fact it what is being referred to is not what your quoting. Your taking a verse out of context... it's obvious you haven't read 1 Cor 13.

It's real easy to take something out of context and try to say it is a contradiction.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "
-Matthew 19:19

[Jesus said:]"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
-Luke 19:27

See how easy that is?

Why don't we think for ourselves and actually look into the biblical verses we quote?

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clearly says that some will not rise, when other verses say that everyone will?

You're misunderstanding it. The "rising" they're talking about is the rising after death, that the spirit is not dead. But the body will never rise again.

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ok but if you don't then she wants you to suffer?

No, of course not. But it is your choice. That's God's sacrifice for giving humans free will. Some of us won't see him after we die.

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God can indeed do everthing.

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well, i didnt say he is ominipotent,

I must point out that these two statements contradict each other.

ok but if you don't then she wants you to suffer?

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How evil is God! It wants vengeance, and pain and suffering!

Actually it is Gods will that none should parish but that all come to a saving knowledge of him, threw Christ. That’s why he sent Jesus to pay the penalty for the sins of the world.

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Even in hell, a person will live forever. You get eternal life just to suffer.

How evil is God! It wants vengeance, and pain and suffering?

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Ever entertain the thought that we might have different versions? The fact that we have differing verses alone should throw doubt on trusting the Bible implicitly.

As I stated, the passage is about the attributes of love. It is important to take these verses in context.

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but clearly the Bible is contradicting itself when it says God can do everything with no exceptions and later saying he can't lie.

As I have said the issue is whether it is in god’s nature to do something.
He will not do something which is out side of his nature. What the bible is doing is assuring us that lying is out side of Gods nature.
And secondly both of the verses that you cited about what God could do , was God, or a angle reassuring a servant of God, who was about to do a very difficult thing that God was with them, and could get them threw anything.

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Wrong. Death is never final, according to some of my verses. Even in hell, a person will live forever. You get eternal life just to suffer.

An existence in hell is described as a second death or eternal death in the Bible, so there actual is an idea of two different endings. Eternal life or Eternal Death.

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On the contrary, as I told Eagle, it is exactly what it said. You simply have a different version. Funny how no two Bibles say the same thing, isn't it? It's an even greater contradiction than I had aimed for.

I did not realize that you were using the New King James version. As I said though, look at the Verse context. Also the translation is only slightly different as the languages change. But they all have the same meaning as the original.

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the first verse is about love.. read the entire context.. the SAB have done its share of taking the verse out of context. just like in gossips. you only heard of the part of the story yet concluding wrongfully about a matter.

SWEET BABY JESUS. Different versions, people! Different versions! It's not a matter of what website posted it; it's a matter of what version of the freakin' Bible you're using! I've said that three times! Look it up in any King James Bible (for that is what I assume the SAB uses) and the verse will be exactly as I posted it. Clearly, the dumbed-down versions of the NIV or NRSV will give you a different story.

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rather a clarification that God inspite that He can do everything, He has reserved himself and remained HImself to be faultless.

As I said, if God cannot lie, he cannot do everything. Repeat, everything. Everything includes burning buildings, jumping up and down, creating something from nothing, and lying. According to parts of the Bible, God can do all of those because he can do everything. Nothing is impossible for God, remember that verse? It doesn't say nothing is impossible for God (except lying, stealing, raping, and other generally bad things). God may not choose to lie, but he has that capability. If he is incapable of lying, he is not omnipotent.

well, i didnt say he is ominipotent, neither the Bible. and i do agree also that he is not omnipotent.
conradictions are they not but rather simply misinterpretations and mis-use of the Bible of the so-called wise skeptics

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the first verse is about love.. read the entire context.. the SAB have done its share of taking the verse out of context. just like in gossips. you only heard of the part of the story yet concluding wrongfully about a matter.

SWEET BABY JESUS. Different versions, people! Different versions! It's not a matter of what website posted it; it's a matter of what version of the freakin' Bible you're using! I've said that three times! Look it up in any King James Bible (for that is what I assume the SAB uses) and the verse will be exactly as I posted it. Clearly, the dumbed-down versions of the NIV or NRSV will give you a different story.

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rather a clarification that God inspite that He can do everything, He has reserved himself and remained HImself to be faultless.

As I said, if God cannot lie, he cannot do everything. Repeat, everything. Everything includes burning buildings, jumping up and down, creating something from nothing, and lying. According to parts of the Bible, God can do all of those because he can do everything. Nothing is impossible for God, remember that verse? It doesn't say nothing is impossible for God (except lying, stealing, raping, and other generally bad things). God may not choose to lie, but he has that capability. If he is incapable of lying, he is not omnipotent.

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How often have any of you read the bible?

since i became afull-fledge Christian - every day. and kept on reading and going over and over them. its a habit already. mysteries to figure out..and to study about.

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Can God do everything?

Yes. Jeremiah 32:27 says "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for the Lord?" and Luke 1:37 says "For with God nothing shall be impossible."

No. Hebrews 6:18 says "It was impossible for God to lie."

This is a clear contradiction with Luke, which says nothing is impossible for God. But if it is possible for God to lie, would you really trust him?

God can indeed do everthing. that's great. but it's even greater that God cannot lie. it's not contradictory but rather a clarification that God inspite that He can do everything, He has reserved himself and remained HImself to be faultless. because when you say God can do everything... lying is part of doing something. and im glad that he cannot lie.

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Is death final?

there are 2 kinds of death.. 1st death the rest of our earthly body from the works of this earth. the 2nd death is the punishment of both body and soul in the lake of fire and brimstone. read the whole of Job 20:1 to 29 part of which is the verse you've cited in verse 7 - the whole chapter is about the wicked.. what happens to them stuff. the wicked will not rise (from their iniquities). same goes with what isaiah cited.

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Should we believe everything?

the first verse is about love.. read the entire context.. the SAB have done its share of taking the verse out of context. just like in gossips. you only heard of the part of the story yet concluding wrongfully about a matter.

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I think your quoting of 1 Corinthians 13:7 is wrong:

Ever entertain the thought that we might have different versions? The fact that we have differing verses alone should throw doubt on trusting the Bible implicitly.

Verses 6 through 8 in my version (King James) state:

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

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Have you bothered to look these passages up? Or are you simply copying and pasting and just assuming your source is correct?

You wound me. Mistranslations are the fault of the translators, not of me. When you decide to stop being patronizing, let me know, eh?

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And compare the last verse of Isaiah 26, to 1 Corinthians 15:51

51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—

Ah, another contradiction. Please, do tell me why Isaiah 26 clearly says that some will not rise, when other verses say that everyone will? It is not out of context; it is very clear in what it's saying.

As for taking things out of context...well, let's say I'm not the first to do so. I will freely admit I have an agenda, but I really don't need to working on putting that agenda forward where most of the Bible is concerned. You may find the "God can do everything" argument juvenile, but clearly the Bible is contradicting itself when it says God can do everything with no exceptions and later saying he can't lie.

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Also he is perfect so he does not even feel tempted to sin.

God sets the standard for what sin is. He can do whatever he pleases because, as someone once told me, he is "above the law," so to speak.

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The point that you missed here is that the Bible teaches that there are two different places that we go after we Die. If you go to heaven then death is not final.
However if you go to hell then death is final.

Wrong. Death is never final, according to some of my verses. Even in hell, a person will live forever. You get eternal life just to suffer.

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First of all your first verse was cited wrong, that’s not what the verse said

On the contrary, as I told Eagle, it is exactly what it said. You simply have a different version. Funny how no two Bibles say the same thing, isn't it? It's an even greater contradiction than I had aimed for.

Typical.

Let’s look at your three contradictions.

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Can God do everything?

You had scripture that seamed to say yes and no. However the point that you are missing is that can do all things that he wants to do. Because God is non-changing he always does not want to do the same thing, dose not want to sin. Also he is perfect so he does not even feel tempted to sin.

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Is death final?

I believe that the Bible can be taken both literally and symbolically. For example the “creation week” was the literal period of time definition of days, meaning billions of years old, and it was symbolic of what our work week should look like.
The point that you missed here is that the Bible teaches that there are two different places that we go after we Die. If you go to heaven then death is not final.
However if you go to hell then death is final.

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Should we believe everything?

First of all your first verse was cited wrong, that’s not what the verse said, and secondly that chapter was talking about the attributes of love.

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nephilem, do you yourself think the Bible is to be taken literally or symbolically?

I believe that the Bible can be taken both literally and symbolically. For example the “creation week” was the literal period of time definition of days, meaning billions of years old, and it was symbolic of what our work week should look like.