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You don't need to know about bacteria to understand hand washing. Hygiene wasn't all that great back then, and it isn't odd that the occasional messiah would notice that maybe eating with shit-coated hands could be a bad thing.

You don't need God on your side to use that kind of logic.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say as well. Only you illustrated it...slightly different.

You don't need to know about bacteria to understand hand washing. Hygiene wasn't all that great back then, and it isn't odd that the occasional messiah would notice that maybe eating with shit-coated hands could be a bad thing.

You don't need God on your side to use that kind of logic.

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For example the Jews were given specific instructions to wash their hands, instructions that saved them from diseases by cleansing them of Bacteria. However at that time people had no way of knowing about bacteria.

Isn't that what Muhammad instructed people to do in the Quran as well and for the same purpose?

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The Bible claims that it is true

I claim I am always right. Does this mean I am always right? Not necessarily. In order to trust my word that I am always right, you must already know I am always right.

Just so, the Bible claims to be true, but you can't trust this claim until you already know the Bible is true. Circular logic, as Shade pointed out. I don't need to prove that the Bible is false because the assumption is that it is merely a book. What else could it be? You must prove that it is more than a book because, from my experience, it feels like a book, looks like a book, reads like a (bad) book, and so on. To me, it is just a book. I need not prove that it is simply a book because for all intents and purposes, it is simply a book.

Let's say I have a cat. You claim it's really a dog. I don't need to prove that it's a cat because I'm making no claim about it. It is, to my knowledge, simply a cat. You, however, are making the outlandish claim that it's a dog, thus you must provide the proof that it is a dog, and not a cat.

So really, it's all about claims. I don't claim that the Bible is false because it's a book. You claim it's true, so you need to furnish proof to that extent.

And again, just to clarify: I contest none of the historical aspects of the Bible. The spiritual aspects are what need proving.

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the Bible has always been consistent with our findings, the people that the bible said lived somewhere actually did live there in the time that the bible stated. In some instances the Bible talks of people that historians did not believe existed, and then latter they found the people.

Of course the bible is right when it talks about places that were present during or around the time the bible was written. USE YOUR BRAIN!

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The point was that God commanded them to do it and we see specific instructions on how to wash their hands, and when to wash their hands. To them it was a ritual; they had no idea that it had any relation to killing germs, or preserving their health.

Think about it for a second. If you don't wash your hands for a long time they get dirty and grimy. What happens then? Everything you touch gets dirty too. Now what is the logical solution? To get rid of the dirt and stop it from building up.

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Prophetic evidence: prophecies that were made in the Old Testament about Jesus were fulfilled hundreds of years later.

One of the many brilliant things I have learned from Harry Potter is that by knowing about 'prophecy' you will make it come true.

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Isn't that called circular logic? Something can't be true simply because it claims to be. That's idiocy.

I wasn’t saying that it was I was simply asking for reasons why they believe that the Bible is wrong.
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That's just a wise decision. People have done that before.

The point was that God commanded them to do it and we see specific instructions on how to wash their hands, and when to wash their hands. To them it was a ritual; they had no idea that it had any relation to killing germs, or preserving their health.

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I'm not quite sure where the reference for this is found. Show me.

This site has a bunch of the prophecies
http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm

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The Bible claims that it is true, and I believe it show me why I am wrong.

Isn't that called circular logic? Something can't be true simply because it claims to be. That's idiocy.

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For example the Jews were given specific instructions to wash their hands, instructions that saved them from diseases by cleansing them of Bacteria.

That's just a wise decision. People have done that before.

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Another example would be biblical predictions about people not being able to by or sell before a cashless society or even a cash society was around.

I'm not quite sure where the reference for this is found. Show me.

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So? Many Christians don’t believe that the world is billions of years old and most people think that the Bible claims that the Universe was created in six days so my explanation was applicable to a large amount of people.

I said nothing about my beliefs. I simply meant I didn't wonder what you said because I already knew. Stop and think before you respond.

Also, respond in one post, dammit!!

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No, I don't wonder at all. You make a dangerous assumption here. I'm Christian.

So? Many Christians don’t believe that the world is billions of years old and most people think that the Bible claims that the Universe was created in six days so my explanation was applicable to a large amount of people.

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You are the one who needs to prove those men weren't just writing what they thought seemed best to keep the masses in line.

Actually the Burden of proof lies with you; The Bible claims that it is true, and I believe it show me why I am wrong.
However you asked for evidence so I will give you some.

Historical, and archeological evidence: the Bible has always been consistent with our findings, the people that the bible said lived somewhere actually did live there in the time that the bible stated. In some instances the Bible talks of people that historians did not believe existed, and then latter they found the people.

Scientific evidence: the Bible is found to have knowledge of scientific discoveries before the discoveries actually took place. For example the Jews were given specific instructions to wash their hands, instructions that saved them from diseases by cleansing them of Bacteria. However at that time people had no way of knowing about bacteria. Another example would be biblical predictions about people not being able to by or sell before a cashless society or even a cash society was around.

Prophetic evidence: prophecies that were made in the Old Testament about Jesus were fulfilled hundreds of years later.

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Now if you are wondering how that matches the Bible don’t worry I will explain.

No, I don't wonder at all. You make a dangerous assumption here. I'm Christian.

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Okay, Nephilim. The world was not created in 7 days. I would explain it to you, but I'll see if you can see my reasoning on your own.

I do not believe that the world was created in 6, 24 hour periods. And as such I don’t believe in a young earth. I believe that the universe is about 16 billion years old and that the earth is about 3.4 billion years old. Now if you are wondering how that matches the Bible don’t worry I will explain.

The Bible uses the word day to describe the lengths of time in the creation period. Now the word day has several meanings in Hebrew, as with English, and other languages, and one of those meanings is a specified time or period or age. So in the Genesis account the Days are basically ages. Also the word day is the only word in the Hebrew language which could accurately portray the correct meaning.

It is a relatively new idea put forth by “Creation scientists” as they call themselves to reject the idea of an old earth, which is seen by them as an evolutionistic idea.

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Why not? Have you disproved it? I claim that what it says is true, prove me wrong.

It's called burden of proof. Not burden of disproof. For all we know, the Bible was written by men. Actually, I can claim that for certain. You are the one who needs to prove those men weren't just writing what they thought seemed best to keep the masses in line. You need to prove the Bible was divinely inspired because the assumption is that the Bible is no more divine than The Da Vinci Code. You need to prove that assumption wrong.

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Don't apologise. I was being sarcastic anyway. You are more than welcome to join this conversation.

Ah, thanks.

Don't apologise. I was being sarcastic anyway. You are more than welcome to join this conversation.

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Alright, nit pick with me. It wasn't what YV said either.

Eh, sorry. I haven't been reading the previous argument you guys are having...if there is one. I just saw your post and that is what came to mind.

Alright, nit pick with me. It wasn't what YV said either.

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Okay, Nephilim. The world was not created in 7 days. I would explain it to you, but I'll see if you can see my reasoning on your own.

Yeah, wasn't it created in six days and then God rested on the seventh according to the Bible?

Okay, Nephilim. The world was not created in 7 days. I would explain it to you, but I'll see if you can see my reasoning on your own.

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Why not? Have you disproved it? I claim that what it says is true, prove me wrong.

The bible wouldn't be a good source for her. It's proof for you, but not proof for many people. As I've said before, shamanic journeys are an incredible proof of the divine, but for some people, they jus aren't good enough. The bible isn't a good source for some of us. I don't know what else to say. If you're looking to convince someone, you have to alter your words to fit in their level.

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Well yeah that would be a problem. I would recommend believing in God before you ask him.
By the way God asked you the same thing and you said no.
It’s a good think that God is patient.

Wow...I must admit that is kind of funny. :P

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Well yeah that would be a problem. I would recommend believing in God before you ask him.
By the way God asked you the same thing and you said no.
It’s a good think that God is patient.

Ahahahahahaha