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Are...you...admitting you believe in God? *looks at LTR suspiciously*

No.

That might be why he won't be my Valentine though.

Well yeah that would be a problem. I would recommend believing in God before you ask him.
By the way God asked you the same thing and you said no.
It’s a good think that God is patient.

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Are...you...admitting you believe in God? *looks at LTR suspiciously*

No.

That might be why he won't be my Valentine though.

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I asked God to be my Valentine.

He said no.

Are...you...admitting you believe in God? *looks at LTR suspiciously*

I asked God to be my Valentine.

He said no.

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And don't say the Bible.

Why not? Have you disproved it? I claim that what it says is true, prove me wrong.

you are ridiculous. what "hard evidence" do you have for everything you are saying? And don't say the Bible.

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If a religion is a lie shouldn’t we be able to find faults in it?

We do.

So you say the Bible has faults in It? Okay hit me with one, because as far as I know the Bible has always proven to be true.

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I am going to say this for the last time. It is a low chance but it still is possible.

Ever heard of something being statistically impossible? My point is that with the time we have to work with since the universe began, and with are current knowledge of science, it is beyond the realm of science or reality to assume that the universe and life on earth Just happened.
Also you have no hard evidence to believe that every thing just spontaneously appeared, so why do you believe that over a belief in God. If any thing the idea that the universe just spontaneously appeared is more lacking in evidence than a belief in God.

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I suppose from a certain point of view that would be it, but if we're just talking about a Designer figure, things could really be like a deistic standpoint, where some being created the universe and left us to our own designs. In other words, isn't it possible that the Designer has not been involved at all in this universe since it's inception?

*nods* Very possible.



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Well from a strictly nonreligious stance the idea is realistic, although the fact that the world is designed for human life tends to point to a designer that cared about us.

If the stance is nonreligous, then might the world be created for someone else?

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Oh so now we have gone to believing that there are many gods.

Don't mock. Some of us actually believe in other gods.

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Anyway if the God does not have any interest in the world, then why do so many people believe in him?

What does God caring about us have anything to do with our belief in It?

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If a religion is a lie shouldn’t we be able to find faults in it?

We do.

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in a religions holly book

The Druids may have made books out of Holly.

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there's no reason for me to believe in God so why should I? Just because? That is not a good reason.

Precisely! because thinking is evil! you shouldn't think at all and just do and believe everything people tell you!

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you say that you don’t have any evidence that God exists. So is that your reason why you don’t believe in God?

WHY God why? Make her understand it! I've already told you that, why do you keep on repeating the same question. there's no reason for me to believe in God so why should I? Just because? That is not a good reason.

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Oh so now we have gone to believing that there are many gods. What were they playing clpo13? Poker?

I was merely continuing on a hypothetical line of thought. One god, multiple gods, it doesn't matter to me.

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Anyway if the God does not have any interest in the world, then why do so many people believe in him? I mean there is a whole list of religions, and I can’t remember a time in history when no one believed in God.

I mentioned this in some other thread, but I'll say it again: it could simply be an innate human desire to be part of something larger than themselves. That explains the religions (not everyone can agree just what bigger picture they belong to) and people who don't belong to any religions (they are perfectly content being all alone in the universe).

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Why are you so sure that even if there is a god, he does not care about mankind? You have a belief but why?

I never said I believed this. I used to, but this argument was based on purely hypothetical arguments. "What if" arguments, if you will.

As for why I used to believe that, I once saw the universe as you do: too coincidental and perfect for chance. But I could not for the life of me see any other evidence of God. The world sucks, more than it really should if it was under the care of a compassionate and benevolent God. Since God would not let the world come to such ruin, I figured he simply wasn't involved in it. Maybe he popped in every so often to make sure we hadn't ripped a hole in space-time or invented a cell phone that would send messages to heaven or whatever, but I could not believe he was involved in day-to-day affairs if the world was in such a bad way.

I have since abandoned that because I had no evidence for a Designer figure anyways. Saying things were too perfect for random chance didn't cut it for me. I needed hard proof. Now, since none is forthcoming, I simply withhold myself from any beliefs. You could say I neither confirm nor deny the existence of God. I won't know for certain either way, so why bother making things up if I feel fine as I am right now?

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Alright now what are the chances of that theory being true? The odds of the universe forming through spontaneous, random, very lucky events are astronomical.

I am going to say this for the last time. It is a low chance but it still is possible.

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Do you have an explanation for how the universe formed just perfectly to accommodate Human life?


SPONTANEOUS, RANDOM, VERY LUCKY EVENTS!

Alright now what are the chances of that theory being true? The odds of the universe forming through spontaneous, random, very lucky events are astronomical. By the way this message was not formed by me, it was created, by random computer, and keyboard malfunctions.

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Do you have an explanation for how the universe formed just perfectly to accommodate Human life?

SPONTANEOUS, RANDOM, VERY LUCKY EVENTS!

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Its hard to disprove something when the people who believe it refuse to listen to anything that contradicts it.

If you are so sure that the Bible is not true then prove it. And if you give me evidence that the Bible is not true I will listen to it.

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Why should I believe in God? There has been NOTHING in my life that's lead me to believe in the possibility of a God existing.

How about the very fact that you exist. Do you have an explanation for how the universe formed just perfectly to accommodate Human life? Also you say that you don’t have any evidence that God exists. So is that your reason why you don’t believe in God?

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Do you have a reason?

Because there is no proof.

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Okay, if all religions are made up shouldn’t we be able to disprove them?

Its hard to disprove something when the people who believe it refuse to listen to anything that contradicts it.

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in a religions holly book

Now if we had one of those maybe I would believe

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I believe in the God of the Bible because I believe that the Bible is true.

Great, but since I don't, you can't use the Bible as evidence for me. It doesn't work. We've already gone over this.

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Why do you not believe in God? Do you have a reason?

Stop turning the questions around god damn it! Why should I believe in God? There has been NOTHING in my life that's lead me to believe in the possibility of a God existing. Why should I just have blind faith in something that I have no proof of, at all? Furthermore, I do NOT need to believe in God. If that helps you, to believe in God that is, then I think that's great, but stop trying to impose that on others. Give me one good reason, and I mean one GOOD reason to believe in God not anything like "The universe exists, so God had to create it! that's proof!" because well...I think it's obvious why that doesn't work...

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If a religion is a lie shouldn’t we be able to find faults in it?

Because they haven't done that...?


Oh and just to put this out there, just because lots of people strongly believe in something does not make that something any more true...

Well if we believe that there is a god, and that he designed the universe that would allow for human life then, I think that we could draw the conclusion that he must have some level of interest in Him. Actually with me, I believe in god, you don’t. We intemperate life threw different lenses. I believe in the God of the Bible because I believe that the Bible is true. History is filled with religious wars, and religion has always been a part of mankind’s existence. According to you they were fighting over nothing. There should be no religion.
Why do you not believe in God? Do you have a reason?

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Because people like answers. When they don't have one they will make one up.

Okay, if all religions are made up shouldn’t we be able to disprove them? If a religion is a lie shouldn’t we be able to find faults in it?
Basically if God made a universe this fine tuned, then if he really did tell us his will, in a religions holly book, we should be able to tell.

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Anyway if the God does not have any interest in the world, then why do so many people believe in him?

Because people like answers. When they don't have one they will make one up.

Nephilem...why don't we reverse your question, why are you so sure that these Gods care so much about us humans? we are NOT the center of the Universe, live with it. Or at least just realize that we are not THAT important...whatever actually, if you need to believe it that's your business really(I'm trying to be open-minded here). That's why so many people turn to God I think(that or they've had some kind of spiritual awakening), because they NEED something to believe in or their world would fall apart, it gives people answers and security. So great for you.