America is the ONLY first world nation on earth where more than ten percent of the population believes that Evolution, excepted as a universal fact through out the scientific community is a lie. America is the only first world nation that has a population of 45% believing that the earth is actually younger than 7,000 years. I just need to understand this. Why are large portions of the American Christian population unable to accept scientific facts? how can we say that the world was made in 7 24 hour days, when the sun and the moon was not created until the third, and the description in the bible fits the way I would describe science's current theory of creation to a child (which is about as much understanding of the natural world as these people had back then)? Look at the order of creation, plants, fishes, then animals on the ground and last birds in the sky... except for man, the last truly unique species to evolve according to evolution... And as for the refusal to believe that we evolved from monkeys because we were made in God's image... What image? Were we made to LOOK like God, or THINK and BEHAVE like God? The original hebrew does not read in the image of God, it reads in the ASPECT of God. Which would fit evolution quite well if you think about it; we were raised from the other beasts, special, capable of true thought and free will... Generally speaking the christian population does not believe Revelations to be literal, why does the story of creation have to be? And why is it even that important? What is important to Christianity is Christ. That he existed, and that he did what the bible says he did. Who cares if the earth was made in days or 7 billion years (and I can't remember the passage for this, but there is a segment in the bible that says a d day to god is like a thousand years to man and thousand years to man a day to God) if everything the bible says about Christ is literally true? Is God's memory so shortterm that he is incapable of the necessary foresight and planning to use evolution to create man? Just a thought. I really want responses from Christians on this, I used to be one and this is the reason I gave up, for some reason Protestant Christianity in America can't look at science this way. Why? I tried to phrase this in an uncondescending and uninsulting manner, if I didn't get that I'm sorry, I don't want a religious mud slinging fest, I want a reasonable conversation, and any posts that don't at least have attempts to meet me on this I will imagine don't exist, whoever posts them. Please, I want a reasonable debate. Honestly. Thank you for your cooperation.
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quote: ... Micro evolution I believe in... MACRO evolution not so much. The fossil records do not support it. If you want to assume that the book(s) are bised that's your porblem and I cannot solve it. They only way for you to know would be if you picked up the book and looked for yourself. All I was saying regarding the seven days is just becuase it says seven "days" in the bible doesnt mean it was seven 24 hour days.
More contention goes to Macro-evolution vs. micro-evolution. Even the most ardent creation science groups accept it because it has been observed a lot. Your statement is a little unclear as it is written right now. Are you saying that the transitional fossils don't support micro or macro because micro is definitely not dependent on transitional fossils seeing as Micro is based on changes that are small in scale. But their have been numerous amounts of transitional fossils that have been found that do strongly support macro-evolution. As for the book, it’s really not my problem, seeing as you made the statement that "You're kidding right? You seem smart so you MUST know that most recent scientific fact Disproved Darwinism."If your intention is to engage in a debate the ball is in your court to provide evidence to support your claim. Simply saying go read this book is simply throwing the ball in the OTHER person’s court to support YOUR claims when it lays on YOU to supports your claim. Now it could very well be that your intentions were not to engage in a debate but your language indicated that it was. As for the 7 days thing, again my previous response is still holds up. Seeing as the Bible didn't give any specifics on god’s days being longer than our days you are stretching well beyond you can go. Also for a text that is extremely specific on other things I find extremely interesting how it would neglect to mention the fact that gods days are longer than ours or that the term days on a grand scope is extremely relative. And again they didn't have knowledge of the relativity of time during that time period so you are putting stuff into a text that doesn't fit. But perhaps I'm being a little to harsh on you though, seeing as you do seem to accept the fact that the earth is older then 7,000 years old. My beef is more with the extreme biblical literalist who believe earth is 7,000 years old and who assert that the seven days of creation were literal 24 hour periods. So at least you do you accept that the earth is older the 7,000 years.
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er... Micro evolution I believe in... MACRO evolution not so much. The fossil records do not support it. If you want to assume that the book(s) are bised that's your porblem and I cannot solve it. They only way for you to know would be if you picked up the book and looked for yourself. All I was saying regarding the seven days is just becuase it says seven "days" in the bible doesnt mean it was seven 24 hour days.
quote: You're kidding right? You seem smart so you MUST know that most recent scientific fact Disproved Darwinism
If you mean evolution hate to break it to you but evolution is still accepted and most of the "proof" otherwise has turned out to bogus claims by the Creation Science nuts. But please do enlighten us with evidence that proves otherwise.
quote: Also who's to say that Gods seven days would be the same as ours or not.
Applying the relativity time is stretching way beyond any credibility, especially seeing as the time the Bible was written people still thought the Earth was center of universe, hell they didn't even know of the existence of other planets.
quote: Also it has pages of sources of books that support it, that are not so religious.
I suspect that its about the same as other creation science books in that it probably quotes out context is written by a layman who has little to no grasp of current scientific thought. Also sources don't make a book correct rather it is the logic behind it.
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You're kidding right? You seem smart so you MUST know that most recent scientific fact Disproved Darwinism. Also some of the most prominent scientist in the study of evolution are Christians. Just because it's still used in high school text books doesn't make it fact. Also who's to say that Gods seven days would be the same as ours or not. Read "a case for a creator" It's a journalistic investigation into the science that's "against" God. Also it has pages of sources of books that support it, that are not so religiouse.
There are different aspects of evolution I do believe God utilizes for certain purposes. I believe He uses evolution as a process of changing human beings. Humans have changed since the beginning (not talking about the ape to man theory) as far as skin tone and life span. These things may be caused by the climate we live in and other social factors. I also believe in natural selection where species best adaped to their environment survive longest or "survival of the fittest" some call it. I just find it hard to think these things can initiate their own existence or that an explosion can cause their existence because everything is just so well organized in our bodies and in our atmosphere. Put it this way, no one has ever expanded on the explosion theory for me to think about.
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quote: Every Christian with a head on their shoulders has wondered of evolution at some point. We've made individual choices. Based on my experiences with God, I choose to acknowledge Him.
Why can't they work together? Why can't god have used evolution? Is that that big a stretch?
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Hi, I accept scientific fact. However, one reason why I never accepted Christian Scientology is that I believe even science has a greater authority. You wrote a long post. I have a simple question. Is it easier for you to believe an explosion caused creation than to believe in a creator? With every distinct creation in DNA, fingerprints, from species to species, person to person, do you believe some spontaneous event created those things. For example, the unexplainable ability of the brain to store unrehearsed information for years and still release that information years later as if it was safely stored away for the right time. You'd rather credit chance than God for that?
I assume you've questioned and searched for a logical legitamate reason to except the existance of a God for awhile before giving up the belief. And I'm trying to understand your view point. To me, everything comes under God's authority. Our confirmation is in the Holy Spirit; our promised help when we receive the Lord into our lives and walk in His light. Without the Spirit of God we truly don't know within ourselves that there is a God. We want an answer for everything. We want to know everything. But we aren't God. That's hard for some people to accept because with our advanced technology we're suppose to know all things. But to me, not only is our human advancement under submission to God's authority, our knowledge also is. That means we will never know as much as he does. Does that mean give it up and forget about Him? No, it just confirms that He is an omnipresent, all-knowing, all-capable, omnipotent God and we are simply His creation. He has revealed much to us, including science but He is still above us.
Every Christian with a head on their shoulders has wondered of evolution at some point. We've made individual choices. Based on my experiences with God, I choose to acknowledge Him. I've found sometimes in this world He may be the only One acknowledging me. Obviously, you understood at one point what it was like to feel the peace of God on the inside. I'm not talking about organized religion or going to church. I'm talking about the one on one confirmation from God in the form of His peace, joy and love that was bigger than you, yet within you. That's Him, in that form. He comes in many forms through many promises. Yet still the same God. Awesome. I can't live without HIm. The greatest intelligence in the world couldn't wrap their brains around Him. And I would never put my faith in anyone or anything lessor. Not today.
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