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Picture of devie747
Registered: August 31, 2007
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I think all religions should be treated equal in terms of importance.

Everyone gets Good Friday off. I have a religion where you get all friday the thirteenths off, as they are the Days of Ennui. But I'm not allowed to stay home then.

Everyone who wants to gets to go to school wearing crosses. I should be allowed to wear pirate clothes to school on Talk like a Pirate Day, as it is part of my religion, but I'm not.

My policy is, no matter how odd they are, you should either allow all religious activities, or disallow them.

I myself am an athiest/humanist/Poco Ennuist ( my own religion, practiced by only me)
. I should be either allowed to practice my religion, as well as everyone else, in places that allow religion, or no one should practice any religion at all in certain places where there's supposed to be none.

Whast do you think?


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Registered: December 27, 2006
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halloween and christmas were actually PAgan, the christians were just copycats and stole 'em, but you're right, today's halloween was All SAint's Eve, christmas is, well, CHRIST mas, and even valentine's day was SAINT valentine's day, and easter, and... woah... to many holidays are Christian!!!

Um. You think I don't know that? Some of us here could probably name the holidays they were before they were Christian..or maybe just me. Don't treat eveyrone like they're idiots without knowing htem.

And GOOD LORD. One damn post.


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Originally posted by clpo13:
How about we let no one off for religious holidays?

This probably wouldn't reduce the amount of time people aren't in school, anyways, since school breaks are more or less secular already. Heck, I don't remember the last time I heard it called "Christmas Break."

Anyways, if we can't make it equal by making allowances to everyone, the only reasonable alternative is to make allowances to no one. Fair is fair.


yes, either include all holidays or none Smile and I'm glad people are seeing my point


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Originally posted by AllenOz:
You could say the same about Christmas, holy to some, not to others, and marketing ploy for the retail world.

I still disagree with the idea of only celebrating holidays that students who attend the school practice, thereby not taking holidays that nobody celebrates off, is a good idea.

What? Do you think we should celebrate every holiday? We might get a half-year education system functional with that idea.



even I celebrate christmas, although it isn't religious and we call it "Greedmas", and we only do it to get free stuff, I mean that's cool, right? and it's hardly religious anymore, either, it's all "Santa CLaus" and "Rudolph", and no "Jesus Christ" - although SAnta, watching over people, rewarding them if they're good and punishing them if they're bad, is somewhat like God...


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Originally posted by Shade:
I find it odd, Allen, that no one gets Halloween off yet it is certainly a religion practiced by many. It also goes by the name Samhain, and is a very holy day to some. Ring a bell? The truth is, "teaching" about "them" and not observing that some might follow those days is just ignorant and frankly, unfair. Why should Christians get all their holidays off? As a side note, I am not in any way talking about the religion of the original poster.


halloween and christmas were actually PAgan, the christians were just copycats and stole 'em, but you're right, today's halloween was All SAint's Eve, christmas is, well, CHRIST mas, and even valentine's day was SAINT valentine's day, and easter, and... woah... to many holidays are Christian!!!


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Originally posted by Meagan87:
If it is something you feel that strongly about, I think what you would have to do is be able to clearly explain your religion and how these certain actions you want to take help to fulfill the requirements and objectives of your religion.

For example, you say you get Friday the 13th off...why? With Catholics, we get Good Friday off because for our faith, it was the date that Christ was dying on the cross. We get Christmas off in observance of Christ's birth. We have been able to make that connection.

What objective of your religion does dressing like a pirate fulfill?

Making a mockery of organized religion does not quite fall into the same category as protected religious freedoms.


HER HERM, millions of people believe in Scientism, and it was made up by a science fiction author just to prove he could do it, for Ennui's sake!

oh, and the real reason I posted this was as an example for the religions that aren't Christian. I have a friend who's Jewish, and she doesn't even get her holidays off! They were giving out BIBLE FORMS in our PUBLIC SCHOOL, too. She was very offended, and left the school and didn't come back for weeks. OK, my religion might be just so I have an excuse to dress as a pirate, but all religion should be in schools, or none should.


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I still disagree with the idea of only celebrating holidays that students who attend the school practice,

Oh, that's what you thought I was saying? I didn't know I was so poor at explaining things.

quote:
How about we let no one off for religious holidays?

I see the reason behind this. (but I like my holiday pay Frown)


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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How about we let no one off for religious holidays?

This probably wouldn't reduce the amount of time people aren't in school, anyways, since school breaks are more or less secular already. Heck, I don't remember the last time I heard it called "Christmas Break."

Anyways, if we can't make it equal by making allowances to everyone, the only reasonable alternative is to make allowances to no one. Fair is fair.


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Registered: September 28, 2007
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You could say the same about Christmas, holy to some, not to others, and marketing ploy for the retail world.

I still disagree with the idea of only celebrating holidays that students who attend the school practice, thereby not taking holidays that nobody celebrates off, is a good idea.

What? Do you think we should celebrate every holiday? We might get a half-year education system functional with that idea.
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The truth is, "teaching" about "them" and not observing that some might follow those days is just ignorant and frankly, unfair.

...because there might be someone who actually observes these holidays, and they are not allowed them off where the mainstream holidays are allowed off. I gave the example of Samhain. Holy to some, just candy to others. And because the "candy" version is mainstream, it is not observed as a "holy day" like Christmas, which we get off. Does that make any more sense now, or should I abandon all hope?


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Samhain description for all those (myself included) who do not know anything about it.


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Originally posted by Shade:
The truth is, "teaching" about "them" and not observing that some might follow those days is just ignorant and frankly, unfair. Why should Christians get all their holidays off?


This isn't an explanation, it's just an opinion. Can you explain a little further how what I am proposing unfair.

Never heard of Samhain, of course my studies of religion didn't veer far from the major ones practiced around the world: Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism, generic New Age, and a handful of others.
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I've already answered that question. Re read my post.


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I think the sad reality is that the only Holidays people get off are either the ones we can make money off of or the ones that are celebrated by so many the business and education systems actually lose money for staying open.

And how is it ignorant if I say I think we should only observe the holidays celebrated by the attendees of the school and simply teach the rest, including those celebrated?
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I find it odd, Allen, that no one gets Halloween off yet it is certainly a religion practiced by many. It also goes by the name Samhain, and is a very holy day to some. Ring a bell? The truth is, "teaching" about "them" and not observing that some might follow those days is just ignorant and frankly, unfair. Why should Christians get all their holidays off? As a side note, I am not in any way talking about the religion of the original poster.


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Why celebrate a holiday in a school if nobody practices the supporting religion for it? Teach about them sure, but there'd be no point to celebrating them.
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There are so many other legitmate religions that believe in a "force." (must..stop misspelling...religion!)


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It actually is a religion in a way. I've always likened Jedi to Buddhist monks who aren't averse to violence as a last resort.

But as amp said, the Force is their "higher power," to to speak. As a Jedi would say, it surrounds us and penetrates us and binds everything together. The Force is a part of everything and everything is part of the Force.

I would assume that real-life Jedi would believe the same thing. The only difference is that their version of the Force doesn't confer the same powers it does in the Star Wars universe.


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How is...being a Jedi a religon?


the force? it's no less silly then any other high power I suppose


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How is...being a Jedi a religon?


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