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Picture of PartyPatty
Registered: November 17, 2007
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Is God real?

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i beleive that that question is up to you.

no one can tell you what to believe, and no one can really prove if God is really real.


it is okay to question God, i do a lot.


I am not atheist, but i also do beleive that my religion is not right for me (Protastent).

I guess you couild say i am wishy-washy when it comes to that question.

because a part of me does believe He is real, but another part of me doesnt.
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Indeed. You could disprove God and religion all you want, but there will still be people who believe. It would be the same if someone was to prove God's existence. There would still be atheists who would deny the veracity of that proof.

People have and will always believe what they want to, regardless of what the facts say.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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it wont matter if it can be proved or disproved because on a factual level reality will be dominated by reason and not by unfunded faith


This is assuming that the "unfunded faith" is based on fiction. It is also self defeating in the sense that if people do not care about facts - that is it never has to be "disproved" - then they should not care if it ever is proven either.

Hopefully this futuristic society based on "reason" is not established on your logic.
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But even if that could be proved, you still can't prove that a divine force isn't behind that reaction or behind the creation of the elements reacting.

I don't need to, eventually all forms of religion will be reduced to mere codes of conduct and the stories of divinity's that motivate them will just be considered simbolic moralistic stories.
Once that happens it wont matter if it can be proved or disproved because on a factual level reality will be dominated by reason and not by unfunded faith, thus these divinity's, which where never physical in the first place, will cease to have any sort of manifestation, and consequently become nonexistant.


If god existed he'd be right winged
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I can take my assumptions as truth because it's just a matter of time untill science destroys religion and traces faith to a chemical reaction in the brain.

But even if that could be proved, you still can't prove that a divine force isn't behind that reaction or behind the creation of the elements reacting.


~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
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But both of those are still assumptions. You assume that a universe with out an all-powerful deity makes more sense. You assume that nothing points to such a deity. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but you can't claim you're right when your beliefs are based off of assumptions. The same goes for theists. They simply assume different things.

I can take my assumptions as truth because it's just a matter of time untill science destroys religion and traces faith to a chemical reaction in the brain. Personally I can't wait for that to happen, religion justifies too many irrational acts so the sooner it is erradicated the better.


If god existed he'd be right winged
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The oposite of a universe with a divine is a universe without a divine, a universe without a divine makes more sense in physical terms, thus i believe there is none.
There is nothing in the universe that points to an all powerfull superior consciousness that governs everything, thus I choose to believe there is none.


But both of those are still assumptions. You assume that a universe with out an all-powerful deity makes more sense. You assume that nothing points to such a deity. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but you can't claim you're right when your beliefs are based off of assumptions. The same goes for theists. They simply assume different things.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Neither side has the proof to back up their claims.

The oposite of a universe with a divine is a universe without a divine, a universe without a divine makes more sense in physical terms, thus i believe there is none.
There is nothing in the universe that points to an all powerfull superior consciousness that governs everything, thus I choose to believe there is none.
We could start debating religion, faith, filosophy, and everything else that's related to the subject but we would never get anywhere because both opposing sides of the argument know they are right and the rest are wrong.
I'm ok with that because it makes me feel superior and it's a feeling I enjoy.


If god existed he'd be right winged
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Like quantum mechanics or life on other planets?

Anyways, I think you mean improbable. Claiming something is impossible requires proof, ironically. Being an atheist requires just about as much faith as being a theist. Neither side has the proof to back up their claims.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Faith consists of accepting that which is impossible as true.


If god existed he'd be right winged
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You don't KNOW what to believe...that's why its called "faith."


"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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You ask different people you get different answers.


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Well ya see there is also in the middle. Which is agnostic. It's Greek and basically means "without knowledge". Agnostics claim that one cannot have the absolute or certain knowledge of the existence of god or gods. There are some, though, agnostics who believe in A god. Basically meaning that they do believe that there is something OUT there spiritually but they just don't know what it is. And sweetie to tell you the truth, you really can't ask a question that does not have an accurate answer and will never ever have one. Unless yor dead then yea you'll know...but your not. So yea...bye.


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No.

Hah, if only it were that simple.

That's an interesting question clpo, I would have to say that it really doesn't in the end. Because people will just find something else to follow.


"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Does it really matter?

(Question answers for the win.)


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Who knows?


Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. Frederick Douglass
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