BoMoWo, how can you say that evolution has no proof? I am a high school junior in AP Bio and I can and will provide you with plenty.
1. Vestigial Organs
2. Embryotic Similarities
3. DNA Similarities
4. Homologous organs
5. Fossil Record

Why do you say that Christianity is the only religion? What facts do you have to base your arguement on? Please don't cite the Bible. It is basically a fantasy book with an unknown author. Chrisianity isn't even the oldest religion. What is your response to the polytheists? Where did their ideas come from? Why would the first worshippers worship many Gods while you claim there is only one.

BoWoMo, if I'm being deceived at all, it's by myself. I specifically stated that it was my opinion which I am free to make up. And I have studied all the major religions. You assume too much. I know what Buddhism is about. I know what Islam is about. And evolution has a very strong backing. How else can you explain Homo Habilis and all the other primitive humans leading up to us now? They evolved. Got better. Became more intelligent. In the words of creationists, humans were made as we are now. I fail to see proof for that anywhere.

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and if you don't know what you believe, which you don't, then you should be afraid for your soul.

This really gets me. I don't know what I believe? Did I not just state "Here is what I believe" before writing my take on things? As I said above. You assume too much. Now leave people to their opinions and don't ridicule others for what they believe. I don't need, nor do I want, salvation at your hands. That is for God and God alone to dish out.

BoMoWo:

Don't be so hasty.

You're being very unfair and disrespectful, the way you believe only Christianity is good.

I am a Christian, so I can say this.

Also, evolution has SOME proof; Adam and Eve, when you think about it, is kind of like Pandora's Box. It explains why the World is cruel. Because, people have this idea stuck in there mind that when you're bad, you will be nipped in the but eventually by God's wrath.

That is Karma, not God. Read "The Book of Jobe", part of the bible, and you will see that God has a "Greater Plan" that will be make it hard for perfectly nice people sometimes. That's what they call Life.

Also, all these religeons you claim are lies all have the same basic idea behind them: worship of an all-powerful, all-knowning, Creator. God has many different names, and honestly, as long as you try to be the best person you can be and thank God everyday and try to carry out his ways (I don't mean priesthood, I mean just simply being kind and thoughtful) than I don't think He minds too much WHAT exactly, He is called.

Also, I don't buy the idea that he is wise and all-forgiving. Honestly, he's been cocky with me before. Although, in all fairness, I guess if you create everyone and everything, you'd have the right to be cocky too. lol.

That's my idea. If you oppose them, that's fine. God loves me (msot of the time) and that's good enough for me.

This is to Clpo13

You are deceived.

There is one God the creator of all.

Evolution is a lie it has absolutely no solid evidence to back it's claims.

Bhudism is also a lie, if you knew anything about it you would understand exactly how stupid it is, and it worships one's own self.

Islam is a lie, study it out it is about killing anyone who doesn't believe in Islam.

Hinduism is also a lie, it is about making yourself a god and in it you worship the god's of anything you can think of basically.

Study these relgions out please before making your uninformed opinion, which is all you have, an opinion. These things are not to be taken lightly, your soul is on the line here, and if you don't know what you believe, which you don't, then you should be afraid for your soul.

Here is what I believe is going on:

There is one Creator. He is manifested in many different religions under different names. The Christians have God, Muslims have God, Hindus have lotsa gods, and so on. The Creator is, was, and will always be. He (I'll use the masculine) is all-powerful, all-knowing, and everywhere at once. He is in every rock, tree, molecule, and clump of interstellar matter. Everywhere. He has also been around before the Universe was created. And He will be here when the Universe expands so far that everything turns to darkness.

So, the Creator created what we know as spacetime. In other words, He created the Universe. When He snapped his fingers, the Big Bang happened. He created the galaxies and stars and planets and, most importantly, life.

I'm not going the way of the Bible and saying that Adam and Eve suddenly appeared on Earth fully evolved. That doesn't fully account for the prehistoric men we keep digging up. The Creator subtly messed with events so that a planet would be created in the Sun's habitable zone. However, this planet (we know it as Earth) wasn't created ready-made for human life to exist. The early atmosphere of Earth was poisonous. So the Creator makes the spark of life that took amino acids in the primeval goo and made primitive life. The early amoebas evolved and eventually through photosynthesis created the mostly oxygen atmosphere we have now.

And the Creator continued tweaking things so that intelligent life came to be. In other words, evolution happened. Have any of you ever read Sir Arthur C. Clarke's 2001: A Space Odyssey? There's a bit in there where very primitive ape-like creatures in Africa encounter a strange black monolith that instills in them the ability to make tools. Now, I'm not suggesting a big alien object taught us to be smart, but I believe the Creator did that. How else could the ancestors of modern chimps and gorillas evolve into Homo Sapiens Sapiens, aka modern man?

Then, just as a way to keep humans on our toes, He created the laws of physics and all that good stuff people get confused about. Relativity? Sure, Einstein discovered it, but it was the Creator who made it so.

In essence, my belief is a strange mix of evolutionism and creationism.

i don't believe in Allah but I believe in God.

How do you explain miracles if not for the power of Allah?

BoWoMo-
If you want to convince me that evolution and the big bang doesn't make sense, get your facts right. Life didn't evolve in acid. Earth's environment was more acidic in the past, but it wasn't as if life was evolving in pure acid. It started out with heterotrophic (food consuming) prokaryotes (cells without nuclei), which were able to feed off of the elements that were available at the time. They (as do modern prokaryotic cells today) didn't require mates and reproduced by mitosis (copying their DNA and splitting apart). Because these organisms were heterotropic, they preformed cellular respirarion (the consumer's version of photosynthesis), of which CO2 is a product of. When there was enough CO2 in the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect could take place and help produce an atmosphere for earth. The presence of carbon dioxide also allowed the oppurtunity for autotrophic (non consuming) organisms to evolve. The first autotrophs were probably primitive photosynthetic and chemosynthetic bacteria. All of these organisms continued to evolve, and eukaryotic cells (cells with nuclei) later developed, and made up plants and animals. Over the course of 4.6 billion years, the earth's climate naturally changed (I'm assuming that you believe in ice ages and thus understand that earth's climate isn't a constant) and became habitual for higher forms of life.

As far as the big bang is concerned, I am not sure if that is how things happened. Because all distant galaxies are red-shifted (indicated that everything is moving away from everything else [at least on a large scale]) and the presence of background radiation (energy distributed throughout the universe) has been discovered, it would indicate that there was a huge explosion an extremely long time ago (objects detected the farthest off seem to be moving at nearly the speed of light and are about 12-13 billion light years away, which would mean that they've been [or more acurately were] moving for at least 12-13 billion years) that was powerful enough that the universe is still expanding and that radiation is still left over. This is just a theory. It is impossible to prove how the universe began or that anything I have stated in this post is true unless there is an all powerful being which could appear and explain this all to us. I highly doubt that that will ever happen, and even if there was a God(s), how could he/she/it/whatever prove that it existed before and not after the universe formed? I know I sound like I've spent way too much time with my nose in science textbooks (which is true) and that I'm trying to make you believe this (which isn't true). I really really don't care what anyone else thinks, as long as their religion doesn't involve hurting others or discrimination. I'm aware that for someone who believes in a higher power, and athiestic world view may sound totally absurd, and this is fine. You're content with your religion and I'm content with science, so it doesn't matter. I didn't make this argument to try and disprove you, I just wanted to clear up some inconsistancies in your summary because I'm weird about that and scientific inconsistanices disturb me.

*Points to my previous post*....I just thought I'd repeat this for the sake of it getting read again.

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Originally posted by 3rdeyecure:
ok... i don't know if any of you will get this...
ok, well, everyone knows that us as humans cannot comprehend infinity... we just think ok there has to be a start and end... (here comes the strange part) what if the universe had no start and has no end? maybe its always been here and since we can't comprehend that then we don't believe it. b/c if we think a god created the universe then where did the god come from and where did wherever that god came from come from? it just goes on and on....
probably none of you understand where im coming from..

Excellent point. And probably the most logical I've heard. Just because humans assume that there is a beginning and an end does not mean there is.

I'm a Christian. Following my belief system (that was created essentially by humans), the beginning is when this God who has always existed created a world...also, this world already existed as an object but did not have light or air or water or animals or anything on it. It was like the rest of the planets are now. God simply created everything else. The end, of course, is supposed to be "the rapture," though it won't be the entire end.

However, I'm swung to believe this theory you've concocted, 3rdeyecure. What if there was no beginning or end to this earth? What if it just is? Infinity is a hard thing to grasp but it's possible that the earth has always existed and will always exist.

Did he?

if he created us why wouldn't he care for us. i mean he gave us everything.

I do believe in God, but I do not believe the Christian God, Yahweh, created this world, nor do I believe the God who did cares much for us.

i want everyone to look around you... do you think that all this could have been an accident? i don't think so!!!
another problem with evolution is that if their theory was correct things would be getting better, but have you ever heard of entropy?

To sum up BoMoWo's big post, some science including evolution and the big bang theory takes just as much faith to swallow as creation or intelligent design theory.

It's hard to reply to so many things at once but I'll give it a shot.

to Ikki14reed, I don't have a compiled list ar anything but I can give you a website, and maybe a book or two. The website is Drdino.com It is a very helpful website, and it has quite a bit of info on it. it has debates with leading evolutionists versus creationists. and it also has a thing so that if you have any questions about science or anything to do with the subject you can e-mail it to them and they will respond to you. And they respond fairly quickly from my experiences. Also I have the name and author of a book for you. It is called "The evolution of a Creationist" and the author is Jobe Martin. It is an excellent book that shows how certain animals could absoluteley not have evolved according to the laws of evolution and "science". If I think of anything else, I'll be sure to post it for you, also anything written by Kent Hovind is top quality and he proves over and over what is true and what is false. He debates evolutionists quite often. And most evolutionists won't debate him for fear of their reputation.

to finn620

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So...the concept that a talking snake made humans eat magic fruit that cursed them forever makes sense, as does an all powerful being coming out of nothing and creating the universe, but the idea that the earth is 4.6 billion years old is impossible.
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I will admit that it takes some faith to believe that, and it probably sounds a lot like a fairy tale. Which is more believable:

An all powerful God who always has and always will exist, creating the universe and man and placing them on earth to live and know him as their Lord.

Or that there was nothing, and that nothing defied science and started moving around.( That law is this, "Objects at rest stay at rest unless pushed or pulled by an outside force." Therefore all of that nothing could not have gathered itself together no matter how many millions of years you waited. It had to have an outside force to cause it to move.) And when that nothing gathered itself together into a little tiny space it started spinning, and once it spun fast enough it exploded into a universe of stars planets and so on, but in so doing it defied another law of science. When an object is spinning and flies apart like a merry go round the objects that fly of or out of the spinning state. continue to spin the same way as the object they were launched from. But there are quite a few moons that are spinning the opposite way of all the rest and can't remember, but I think one of our planets as well. Then after the earth was created, it went through a giant acid bath for millions of years, until one day it suddenly stopped for one reason or another, no one knows why it rained acid, And when it stopped raining then gradually out of the rocks that fell into the sea life supposedly began to form itself, however whatever life was being formed in that acid sounds abnormal, something that lives in acid. The oceans that did exist would have been mostly acid if it had really rained for millions of years. Then even more astonishingly this life form began to evolve, or more likley mutate due to it's harsh acid enviroment. And it gradually changed enough that it could come out onto land. But then it had a starteling dilemea, It needed a mate. and not just that but it needed one that had mutated just like it so that they would function properly together, so who knows how long that took until it found one and then it began to evolve into other creatures. and so on... There is also the matter that ths thing in the acid that evloved was supposed to be a single cell organism, and then it evolved into a multi-celled organism. Science,, (and I mean hard facts that really have visual evidence today) science proves to us that that is impossible.

I ask you again which one sounds more believable, honestly, does it make sense that nothing came from nothing? I think not.

to american girl,

I am sorry, but you are incorrect. There is a theology that some people believe, that states according to II Peter that a day with the lord is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. They take this and say that the original seven days in which God created the earth, they say each of those could have been thousands or even millions of years. This however is a lie, Genisis clearly states that the son rising and setting was one day. It is very simple to understandit says the evening and the morning was one day. So unless it took thousands or millions of years for the earth to spin on it's axis, then they are wrong. Once again I am sorry, but you are incorrect.

I don't know how humans "got here" but I don't believe in God. I'm open to some higher power or force but I mostly just think that things just happen.

So...the concept that a talking snake made humans eat magic fruit that cursed them forever makes sense, as does an all powerful being coming out of nothing and creating the universe, but the idea that the earth is 4.6 billion years old is impossible.

Hey, BoMoWO, may I have ALL your sources?

Uh, some people believe in science, you know. I don't. Well, not really.

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There is no carbon in fossils. We find the dates of fossils by uranium testing and strata of rocks. But do you really think that dinosaurs lived 10,000 years ago? There were humans more than ten thousand years ago, not to mention the ancient creatures such as trilobites and sea scorpions, which knew the earth before any animal walked upon it.
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Northstar, there is no evidence of man living before ten thousand years ago. Evolutionists have formed a religion and called it science. Search for the evidence and you will see where evolutionists(also called scientists in some circles) have invented things that do not exist, and filled in gaps where things didn't add up.

I would ask you to consider before the dinosaurs, the original Big Bang theory. One word for you: Impossible.

The very theory of it goes against so many actual laws of science that it is really an excuse to deal with what is already obvious. God is the creator of all things living, man and animal alike.

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