the Bible says that God made the earth mature, that is why scientists say that it is older than it is.

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Ok BoMoWo, so maybe the scientists have lied to me again, but I still wanna go Jewish because I don't believe there is a devil. If God is supposed to be the most powerful force out there, then couldn't he just eliminate the devil from ruining the world? I believe that we God gave us all free will to do as we please. Oh and Jesus can not be the messiah because he was supposed to save the Jews from the Romans but all he did was heal the blind, deaf, and sick supposedly.
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First let me address the issue of the devil, you said you believe in free will right? In that case, if God destroyed the devil, what would there be to choose between? There would be no existing evil, man could not be born in sin, and there would be nothing to draw you away from God. You would not be able to sin because you would not know what sin was. ie. read genisis first 3 or 4 chapters.

In reference to Jesus being the Messiah, where in the old testament, which is the Jewish bible correct? Where does it say that The Messiah would save the Jews from the Romans? It doesn't, that is an ideology created by the religious leaders more than two thousand years ago.

Let me ask you something, have you ever read about Abraham? If you have let me know, and then we can continue this conversation. I have another thing to post real quick before I get off, so I hope to talk more about this later.

Mother Earth is the only god I worship.

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Carbon dating measures the amount of carbon in the desired object, and based upon the amount of carbon, then you have your answer.

There is no carbon in fossils. We find the dates of fossils by uranium testing and strata of rocks. But do you really think that dinosaurs lived 10,000 years ago? There were humans more than ten thousand years ago, not to mention the ancient creatures such as trilobites and sea scorpions, which knew the earth before any animal walked upon it.

If not God then me.

I agree with BoWoMo...the earth isn't billions of years old, scientists have proven that on many occasions. Along with that, if you have ever questioned the science they teach in public schools, you will know that it's all circular reasoning...they tell you that you can determine that age of fossils by the rock in which they found them...they also say that you can tell the age of rocks by the fossils inside of them...circular reasoning, anybody? There are so many contradictions in evolution, that it surprises me that those with half a brain could ever agree with it. I don't say that to offend people (though I'm sure I did, and I'm sorry), but if you look at what they teach you, you will understand. Question everything you learn when it comes to science and everything else, and always know that God will give you a chance to believe in him, even if you don't want to.

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Hitler wrote a book, and he was probably the most powerfull man who ever lived up until now. How come you dont follow that?

Yes, Hitler was Powerful. But really.... did he made the sky, the birds, the trees, all of nature???? He might have been powerful, but he is not God.

see, this is why i agree with the dude who said that only agnostics are fun at parties. everyone else, just too heavy. that goes for me too, i'm no fun at parties at all

Ok BoMoWo, so maybe the scientists have lied to me again, but I still wanna go Jewish because I don't believe there is a devil. If God is supposed to be the most powerful force out there, then couldn't he just eliminate the devil from ruining the world? I believe that we God gave us all free will to do as we please. Oh and Jesus can not be the messiah because he was supposed to save the Jews from the Romans but all he did was heal the blind, deaf, and sick supposedly.

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No offence to all you bible-huggers out there but christianity is not the way to go. When God created the heavens and earth and humans, where were the dinosaurs? Dinos are dated to be living here over 200 million years ago. The bible to me is another book of false info, just like that book of mormon. From now on, I'm goin Jewish!
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Crazychild, I hate to break it to you like this, but the earth as we know it is not thousands of millions, hundereds of millions, or even millions of years old. For that matter it's not even a million years old.

The methods used for determining the age of fossils is carbon dating, this method is highly flawed and unreliable in almost every aspect. The fact that they call it scientific shows their lack of understanding for scientific process.

Carbon dating measures the amount of carbon in the desired object, and based upon the amount of carbon, then you have your answer.

But, there have been studies such as taking a human hair, (from a living person) pulling it off of their head and then carbon dating it. Guess what the still living person they took the hair from had been dead for 200 years according to the expert analysis of carbon dating.

If you want to get some real evidence of what has happened on earth and how old the earth really is I have a website for you. And by the way, best estimates based off of factual history reveal that the earth is under ten thousand years old. Anyways here's the link

Drdino.com

Also, I am willing to debate this if you want, no more than a friendly debate though, I don't want to get into an unresolveable argument.

No offence to all you bible-huggers out there but christianity is not the way to go. When God created the heavens and earth and humans, where were the dinosaurs? Dinos are dated to be living here over 200 million years ago. The bible to me is another book of false info, just like that book of mormon. From now on, I'm goin Jewish!

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Originally posted by Aguagon:
It's an unanswerable question. Think of all the time we could save by just accepting that.

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What a great way to look at it.

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No one even knows who wrote the bible, and considering that it is full of inconsistancies (which society likes to modify as new scientific discoveries are made) it can't be trusted for accurate information anyway.
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For you to say that as a possibility, that means you are basing your judgement off of someone elses opinion, you obviously have not read the bible, or you would see that you are completely wrong.

Yeah. Nothing wrong about thinking of the incomprehensable though.

It's an unanswerable question. Think of all the time we could save by just accepting that.

I agree that God made everything that exists...I beleive this because that is what I was told to believe my whole life. I don't bash on other religions because everyone has the right to their opinions on how they got here..However I do my best to do what the bible says just to stay on the safe side

Yeah, and there's also that alledged "Ummm, oh damn, I guess I made a mistake with these little humans, now they're sinning too much, but as they're made in my image so i'm a sinner too, i guess i'll just wipe em out".

God is a bigger sinner than I am.

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Originally posted by bella123:
Sorry, out of subject but just have to say:

Worthwaitingfor, that was a stupendous post

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*Bows* Thank you. I can't believe I earned a "stupendous." I'd like to thank 3rdeyecure, because if it wasn't for her, my post wouldn't have been created.

Seriously, thanks for the compliment.

Sorry, out of subject but just have to say:

Worthwaitingfor, that was a stupendous post

No one even knows who wrote the bible, and considering that it is full of inconsistancies (which society likes to modify as new scientific discoveries are made) it can't be trusted for accurate information anyway.