I don't see how hard it is to grasp.

It's like a mulitpule choice question and they get it wrong.

I'm sure Karl Marx was a good person, this doesn't make his believes right.
I'm not here to judge anyone, passing judgement is a scary thing to do. I am just telling you what my judge tells me.

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You cannot expect people to give up their own gods in a heartbeat.

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I didn't become a Christian "in a heartbeat" I don't expect anyone else to either.

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However acoding to my belief, Christ is the only way to heaven.

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That is one doctrine that bugs me. What about the people who love other gods, who are good people, model citizens, but are Buddhists? They are going to writh in hellfire because they were born to Budha's faith, and grew to hold it dear? You cannot expect people to give up their own gods in a heartbeat.

Point taken

What about the people before Jesus?

I think there will be a few people in heaven that aren't necessarily Christians.

So doesn't that mean there'll be only Christians in Heaven?

Uptown:
I don't think there will be nothing but Christians in heaven. However acoding to my belief, Christ is the only way to heaven.

"[Jesus said:]I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me."
John 14:6

Are you a Christian Uptown?

Do you feel as though Heaven is strictly for Christians, with no basis of merit?

It was suppose to be me hold up my Bible... but it didn't work...

I like your new picture, Korith. What was your old one? I couldn't make sense of it.

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Originally posted by Korith:
What do you believe?

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Personally?

That much of the Bible is outdated and should be more of a living document. Also, I can't say I believe in many of the stories. Noah's ark, Adam and Eve, etc.

On homosexuality? Yeah, I don't want to turn it into an argument over it (I don't think you will, though), but I think it's predetermined and no more or less moral then heterosexuality.

Good to talk to you! It's nice having a calm discussion between two people with different viewpoints like this. Thanks.

It's going to come up sooner or later, may as well get it out of the way.

I like this thread so much, please let's not turn it into another war over the morality or non morality of homosexuality...

What do you believe?

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Originally posted by Korith:
Did that anwser your question?

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Yes. I believe differently, but I respect your beliefs and that answer. Thank you.

Moovivor:
Well... the bible is very clear that Christians are not live homosexually. That isn't to say that you can't be Gay and Christian, I believe you can.
But as far is having a homosexual lifestyle, I think the bible is clearly against that. Just as it is against being greedy and a Christian, or a liar.

Did that anwser your question?

You might have already addressed this (if so, please quote it), but... what do YOU believe the Bible says about gays (if anything)? What are your personal beliefs about whether homosexuality is wrong or not?

stuckonsushi:
Well, all those things have different meanings to different people.
Personally, I think all the Bible translations sould be read and used.

Significances of different passages, different meanings and interpretations, symbols, deeper context analyzations, ?

Celtic:
I guess the easiest anwser would be.. you study the Bible.
Kind of like majoring in a forgein language, we just major in the Bible, where it comes from, the times it was written in, who wrote, and who it was written for... all that stuff.

Barkid:
Well, Alexander the Great was actually 300 years or so Before Jesus, so there was no Bible to tamper with then.

As far as the Charge of the Holy Roman Empire, and the Popes, these are slightly more likely, but highly unlikely. The Pope's may have been able to "change" the bible to suit their purposes, however most often the "verses" they quoted to do so never made it into a Bible, they just made them up. The Greek manuscripts that survive today are almost perfect with the Latin Bibles we translate from.

Atlanta Christian College uses the New International Version. It seems to be the more direct in it's translation.

Although there are some verses and even whole passages in the Bible we have today that were not in the original Greek Bible, mostly in the Gospels. However these texts are considered authentic and of actual events.
Just an example, my Bible has for John 7:53-8:11, a header that says "The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have--" But this isn't surprising because John 7:53 says "Then each [disciple] went to his own home" So there was no one around to record what happened after that. The typicial explaination to how it got into the Bible is that Jesus told his disciples, or others that were there told this story as well.

There are also some words in the Hebrew Bible that we are not sure the definition of. Like when they talk about Joseph and his Coat, the word used to discribe the coat is unknown to the translators, so something like "Highly decorated" is used with a footnote to explain.

But as far as the Original Manuscripts and the Modern Bible, it is VERY close, with little to no difference.