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in the end we all die so I guess we'll find out


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but I believe that God created all, whether scientists find evidence that says differently.


and this is what makes you so close minded. If there is factual evidence that any religious figure could not argue against, you still wouldnt believe it?


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hehe...thats an "okay, I get what youre saying, but no one can change my opinion - I'm quite stubborn (if you havent already noticed)."
I understand what you mean about people say that God creates everything because we have no other evidence to say otherwise, but I believe that God created all, whether scientists find evidence that says differently. So yes, I get your saying, and youre not an idiot (obviously), I just have my opinion already. but thanks for the insight.


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haha...okay...


I second that.


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Is that an "okay, I get what you're saying" or a sarcastic "okay, you're an idiot"? Come on, people, admit it! It makes sense.


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haha...okay...


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
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I'm not going to say it isn't true, ilovebush, but neither will I say it is because I cannot possibly know if that's the reason people still worship a God or gods.

I know science can't explain everything, which is why I made the connection between having God explain away the unexplainable, just as Jupiter, and Mars, and Neptune explained things that the Romans couldn't comprehend. Is that such a bad thing? Personally, I think if it can't be explained by people obviously smarter than you, don't try to wrap your mind around it. It'll only give you headaches. Believe me, I know from experience.


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See what I mean? Sure, these days science can favorably explain some things that couldn't be explained way back when, but either there are still things that science cannot explain satisfactorily, or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences.


daggum clpo...you were doing so good. all I have to say is that science doesnt explain everything - and science was brought up long after people belived in the Lord and his creations. You were doing so good unitl you said "or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences." but keep up the good work clpo...you were so close...


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
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They like me! They really like me!

Worth: If that is what you think about the "mythical" Greek/Roman gods, how do you explain the God of the Christians/Jews/Muslims? In my experience, He is also a way for people to explain what they don't understand, or don't want to understand. Can't explain how the Universe was created? God. Can't explain how humans came to be? God. Can't explain why today of all days you got that special parking spot at school when you usually don't? God.

See what I mean? Sure, these days science can favorably explain some things that couldn't be explained way back when, but either there are still things that science cannot explain satisfactorily, or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences.


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for like the first time ever, I actually agree with clpo. (shocker I know...)


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
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What clpo said.

As far as mythology: The only reason why I really don't like it is just because they completely made up stuff that they just pulled out of the air to explain certain aspects of life. I'm sorry, I need more of a concrete reason than the imaginary, unbelievable stories from mythology.


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I'm an athiest, so I don't believe in God. I would have to say he is a phony. And I know I'm going to offend people by saying my version of the bible, so if you want to hear it, contact me outside of the forum. But anyways, there are many reasons why I don't believe in God, and never will. As for why other gods from other cultures are supposedly "mythological", it's because majority rules on these matters, and majority says there's only one God. Personally, I think the Romans and the Greeks have a better concept than we do.


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For instance: One reason many ppl moved to America (New England at the time) was b/c they were tired of the church.


Not exactly.


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The Christian God? The Muslim God? The Jewish God? Needless to say, those three are all one and the same.


I do believe tht if there is really a god tht those three gods are all the same 1 and i always hav....howevr if they're all the same thn why hav a lot of the major events in history and so many wars been strtd ovr religion (and dont fool urself all wars, when you look at the 1st evnt or attack of the war, hav been based on religion and beliefs) with the exception of the many civil wars in history.

For instance: One reason many ppl moved to America (New England at the time) was b/c they were tired of the church.

An even better example is the 1 tht occurred just 4 yrs ago right here in America.....we were attacked by Bin Laden b/c they thot tht the way we lived our lives was "inappropriate" (for lack of a better word). Because we didnt act the way they do religiously
and b/c we were free to do, say, and think wut we wnt.

So if they are all the same god (and if he or she exists then they most certainly are) why do evryones religious beliefs cause us to hav such conflicts..

besides i can gaurantee tht you (wutevr ur religion is) believe tht it is the rite 1 just as evryone else believes theirs is


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Whose God is real? The Christian God? The Muslim God? The Jewish God? Needless to say, those three are all one and the same. But I get what you're saying, anyway.

First off, I think that the old Greek and Roman gods (who, again, were the same, i.e. Roman Jupiter=Greek Zeus, etc.) were just different aspects of one all-encompassing God, who may or may not be the God of the Christians or anything like that. He (or perhaps She) is everything, not just a specific God of one religion or another. So I suppose the God of Christianity would liken to Zeus/Jupiter mostly, but His warlike side would look like Ares/Mars, His knowledgeable side would look like Athena, and so on. But that's just what I think.

It made sense for the Greeks and Romans to be polytheistic. It's what they knew. Modern man has moved toward monotheism. Perhaps in a few thousand years, humans will have figured something else out and we won't even have the concept of a single God, or something like that.


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