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I hope you don't rationally want people to answer all of those questions...

hell I can take a stab at some of it, but really kid you need to go ask a priest all these questions they can awnser far better then an internet forum

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What Is the purpose and meaning of people dying of murder, disease, starving, accidents every single second that passes by. What Is the purpose and meaning of children being raped, molested, murdered? What Is the meaning of a 0-5 year old dying? Does an infant go to heaven? Why did It even come to earth If It was supposed to die after a couple of days, weeks or months later? What Is the purpose and meaning of some people being
miserable, diseased, poor, while others being healthy, fortunate and happy? Isnt everyone worth the same In the eyes of god? Then why are some people so terryfyingly unlucky, while others are brought to a world of fortune and happiness? Why are some people considered beautiful and others not? Wasnt It god who created us all

So you seem to have this severe need to blame faith and religion, and God in particuler for things humans do. In God's eyes we are all unique and beautiful. It is only through the eyes of man that some are considered "less beautiful" Murder, rape and etc are all acts of man. Acts which we choose for ourselves. We have the free will to make the choice to not perform an act or to perform an act. As to infant deaths (and yes they go to heaven, that's specifically what infant baptism is for) sometimes people aren't capable of producing a healthy infant. It happens, it's not God's fault.

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then you also have to believe that he stands for th deaths of billions.

As I pointed out God does not control anywhere close to anything we can do, he can influence us through events in our lives but he does not control us. But Death is a natural conclusion of Life, it happens, God or no God.

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a world of war and misery.

Because people made choices to create that world and inflict that pain on their fellow man, then others make choices to have children

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why doesnt he show himself? Whats the purpose and meaning of the mystery, which brings all the misery In the world? Why does some get to live In the costs of others? Why did he show himself 2000 years ago? Who made the bible? God? How can god have written the bible If he cant show himself? There were numerous people who wrote the bible together. They made an idelogi to have control of peoples bodies and minds. They say that god gives you free will, but then at the same time gives you rules that bounds us. I just cant believe how people dedicate their lifes to something no person In the whole world can prove, someone you have never seen or met. Why cant you dedicate youre lives to youre family and children instead?

God without faith is nothing, the bible awnsers that. As we already discovered the choices of man brings all the misery in the world and that includes interpreting a message of love as a message of hate (see: the crusades, spanish inquisition, militant islam, et al)
God did write the bible, but he wrote it by divinely inspiring devout men to pen the verses. And your "rules vs. free will" question doesn't work either. You don't have to follow the rules, thus free will remains.

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Cant you see the reason to all the problems In the world? Cant you see that religion walks hand in hand with racism and injustice? Cant you see the hundreds of wars that has occured for the costs of religion. Cant you see the millions of lifes It has taken? How does this bring us together? How? Isnt It the opposite? Cant you just think for a second? Havent you heard aboud the Holocaust? How Is this good?

First the holocaust was racially motivated, not religously motivated. And again for the final time, Christianity as a base religion is one of love and peace, same as islam and the majority of other faiths. However these faiths can be wrongly interpreted by man. It's not God, it's men (just a note, using man/men in the species sense through out my response)

I'm not going to bother with the rest there firalio. I am going to say that you seem to be extremely confused about what constitutes free will. and wether you even want that or not. Every other paragraph you seem to ask why God doesn't do something, that's because we have the free will and ability to do something about it. The majority of us choose not to, or we choose to tithe to aids those who have choosen to do something or in the rare cases people leave their homes and lives to actually do something about it, instead of siting at home and blaming God for it. (it being all the various problems in the world) So make up your mind have God take care of everything like a facist state? or have the freedom to grow up and take care of ourselves? Seriously ever other paragraph you switch between "oh God doing anything is slavery" to "God doesn't do enough"

Oh and we have a special guest responder for your questions about science, allow me to introduce Dr. Albert Einstein:
"Science with out religion is blind, Religion with out science is lame"

I hope you don't rationally want people to answer all of those questions...

What Is the purpose and meaning of god and religion? What good does It make you and youre lovedones, believing In god? What Is the purpose and meaning of people dying of murder, disease, starving, accidents every single second that passes by. What Is the purpose and meaning of children being raped, molested, murdered? What Is the meaning of a 0-5 year old dying? Does an infant go to heaven? Why did It even come to earth If It was supposed to die after a couple of days, weeks or months later? What Is the purpose and meaning of some people being miserable, diseased, poor, while others being healthy, fortunate and happy? Isnt everyone worth the same In the eyes of god? Then why are some people so terryfyingly unlucky, while others are brought to a world of fortune and happiness? Why are some people considered beautiful and others not? Wasnt It god who created us all? What Is the purpose and meaning of life If god exzists? What Is the purpose and meaning of life If everything Is designed and predicted. How Is this freedom? Wouldnt the meaning of life be to die, If this Is true? Are we In some cind of theater play, where som play death and misery, while others play luck and hapiness? What Is the beauty of children dying? Does god enjoy all of this? Is this amusing to him? Do you have any idea how much some people have suffered, while others have lived a long happy life with everything they ever wanted. Is this what we call equality?

Why does god exzist? What Is It that he does? Did god create us? Says who? Did god create youre children? Let me ask you again: what Is the purpose and meaning of god? How can god help you If everything Is predicted? Do you believe that god stands for everything you do during the day and every skills and talents you got? Do you believe that It Is him who makes you run fast? What are we here for, If he controls everything we do? Isnt this slavery? The oppsite to freedom? If you believe that god helps you, then you also have to believe that he stands for th deaths of billions. Why does he only help some, if we are equal? Why does a child have to be born In to a world of war and misery. What has she done to deserve this? Why does he help the richer get richer, and then letting children all over the world die of diseases, murder and starve to death?

Who Is god? Hes not my father, my mother, my sister, my brother, my friend or my family. I havent seen, heard or met this guy. This brings me to the question: why doesnt he show himself? Whats the purpose and meaning of the mystery, which brings all the misery In the world? Why does some get to live In the costs of others? Why did he show himself 2000 years ago? Who made the bible? God? How can god have written the bible If he cant show himself? There were numerous people who wrote the bible together. They made an idelogi to have control of peoples bodies and minds. They say that god gives you free will, but then at the same time gives you rules that bounds us. I just cant believe how people dedicate their lifes to something no person In the whole world can prove, someone you have never seen or met. Why cant you dedicate youre lives to youre family and children instead?

Do you believe that religion brings us together? Cant you see the reason to all the problems In the world? Cant you see that religion walks hand in hand with racism and injustice? Cant you see the hundreds of wars that has occured for the costs of religion. Cant you see the millions of lifes It has taken? How does this bring us together? How? Isnt It the opposite? Cant you just think for a second? Havent you heard aboud the Holocaust? How Is this good? Why cant you see that religion Is the biggest war there has ever been?

How can we be free and slaves at the same time? I dont get the obsession with god and jesus. How can you believe In religion and not in science? Almost everything has been proven In science, while nothing In the bible has. Cant you see that religion doesnt make any cind of logical sence? How can a priest laugh at scientists, and call them ridiculuose, when they have proved, and fact-based everything they have done so far? Why does people believe In a book that cant prove anything, while they dont believe In books that can prove almost everything? Cant you see that the bible Is handwritten by normal people like us? Its only a book, just like sciencebooks.


What does It matter. Think about It! What does It matter, If God Exzists? Have you ever thought about that. Do you really believe that god gave you life and free will, in order for you to not. What does It matter If god exzists? Does It mean that we have to sacrifice our minds and bodies, in order to get to the place we call heaven. We have to live by his rules, which means that we live In a prison. A place with rules and limits. Is that what you call freedom? And what about other peoples freedom? Does only a handpicked of people get to experience freedom on the costs of others. What Is freedom without equality!?

I believe that heaven Is a place on earth. What Is earth, If there Is a place called heaven. Is It hell? My problem Is not wether you, believe In god and religion, or not. The reason I dont believe In god, Is because I believe In you.

Ps. I just want to say that I am not crazy or mentally ill. I am a 18 year old turkish boy, who lives In sweden. I have an IQ of 134. My Intentions are not to judge or blame anyone. Im a humanist who believes for the better of man kind. I want to create a world were everything Is fair, equal and everyone Is happy. A world without war, racism and misery. This Is a place a call heaven!!!!!



Please just give one, i repeat one good answer to believe In god, or any cind of sence In It.

A blood-red moon...that wouldn't happen to look anything like a lunar eclipse, would it?

I don't think that the other religions are wrong... They believe in who they wanna believe in.. and I respect that. I myself believe in God and Jesus 100% , I believe God sent Jesus down here.. and he dies for my sins.. but thats just my personal opinion of course!

Usually one post would suffice, Sis.

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I saw blood on the moon on Jan. 14, 2006. I had read about these volcanos going off on both the north and the south poles at the same time. ... As I was taking pictures a huge maroonish spot apeared in the middle of the moon, it was a huge ocean of blood that was splashing like an ocean would and I watched as it started forming a river of blood that started flowing downwards and then sideways and then back towards the top of the moon! Then it went behind the moon.

That's pretty down in a black metal sort of way.

A blood moon rises in the east
The lamb lies in the belly of the beast
The crimson tide blocks out the sun
Run, all ye faithful oh you run

I saw blood on the moon on Jan. 14, 2006. I had read about these volcanos going off on both the north and the south poles at the same time. I thought to myself that it was pretty significant. So I decided to get up early the next Saturday morning and take pictures of the moon as it was setting with my digital binacular camera. My house is in the country and faces west. It just happened to be a full moon. Of course God set this whole thing up! As I was taking pictures a huge maroonish spot apeared in the middle of the moon, it was a huge ocean of blood that was splashing like an ocean would and I watched as it started forming a river of blood that started flowing downwards and then sideways and then back towards the top of the moon! Then it went behind the moon. This all lasted about 60 seconds. I went that morning to a meeting that our pastors wife was having and told her about what I saw. I heard her talking on the radio the next week an she said the following: I said to my husband, you know I don't know that these are the last of the last days, no one has ever come up to me and told me that they were Jesus Christ, and then that very week a man came up to her and told her that he was Jesus Christ and asked her if she wanted him to be her lord and saviour. She said nooooooooo. Anyway, I believe Shelby Corbitt and I hand out her fliers!
I go to a big church in Tulsa. I was also witnessing one time and ran across this man around my age 48 or so and he had a daughter in her twenties who came to him crying really hard one day. He asked her what whs wrong and she said that she had dreamed about the rapture. She said she was being raptured and the guy next to her was not going, then she got up over the Tulsa skyline and she said that there were not very many people being raptured in Tulsa, she said she would look for two blocks before she would see anyone going up in the rapture. Very sobering to me.

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Originally posted by zeeta2009:
Hey I'm athiest and im looking 4 a debate on religion...but a friendly debate b/c i dont hav a problem w/religious ppl i jst wnt 2 see if i can get a few straight answers....

so here's my 1st question:

Frst of all, why is our god real but all the gods from greek and roman "mythology" aren't?? I mean who's to say that in a few thousand years people won't call "God" mythology?!

Would any of you object to me telling you of a sign that I saw in 2006?
by the way, I am 49 female. I am really hear because I really want to tell you about what I saw. I see the devil devouring our youth and it really upsets me. You have such great possibilities, but with God they are even greater. I believe we are in the last of the last days, and I would like to share with you about that. I have seen a sign that shows the return of Jesus is very very near!

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Originally posted by zeeta2009:
Hey I'm athiest and im looking 4 a debate on religion...but a friendly debate b/c i dont hav a problem w/religious ppl i jst wnt 2 see if i can get a few straight answers....

so here's my 1st question:

Frst of all, why is our god real but all the gods from greek and roman "mythology" aren't?? I mean who's to say that in a few thousand years people won't call "God" mythology?!

Hi Zetta,
I tried several other religions and none of those religions gave me peace, none of them assured me of eternal life. Only when I came to Jesus on His terms did I find what I was looking for! Jesus has been given all power in heaven and in earth, because He sacrificed Himself for our sins so that we could be reconciled to God His Father.
Only His blood can cleanse you of your sins, it is all that God will accept on your behalf.

John Lennon predicted that by now Christianity would be gone and that Jesus would be forgotten.
Well John is dead, and not many think of him very often, however Jesus lives on and multitudes serve Him and worship Him and love Him every day and night. Jesus truly is Lord!

Welcome to the boards CaroliNaGirl, please go to this thread:
http://boards.youthnoise.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/693295355/m/55410582

ok well the reason why i belive that our God is real and the greek and roman gods of mythology are not is because we have record of the time that jesus was born to the very day that he was crusified by sinners!!! The only record of which what we have from the other false gods is some great things that they did and a fiew flaws they also committed!! But with God he did miricles and wonders beyond belief and this worl is comeing to an end so i highly doubt in a few thousand years pplwill be calling God mythology!!! And please tell me more about ur religionQtmarie@aol.com

silly memory

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To get back on topic, well, since I just joined and don't know the current argument. I'm not sure. I think mostly it's the Church saying things that aren't true. I'm not sure what exactly i am. I've been told I'm agnostic? I think that's what I am. I believe there is a God but I refuse to be affiliated with or believe in the Church. I think they are corrupt and have many issues. But, apparently according to some old guy who prophecised the popes says their's only one left so I guess I won't have to deal with them a whole lot longer, but bak onto my point I always think it's because we've grown to learn good from bad and we think that the "Mythological" gods maybe are bad?

as clpo said, that's theism.
I think the reason we've come to reject the Mythologhical gods is the fact that many have simply forgotten them. I'm speakingg from a secular viewpoint, of course, as I reject them because they violate my beliefs.

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uhuh... the grammar nazi

You're not bad, but your posts don't really go anywhere or say anything profound.

You figured out how to look at life when you where 15? I think you should be giving lessons then, most people never do figure out how to look at life, it astounds me that you have managed to do so at such a young age.

thank you for your sarcasm, speed. I really do enjoy it.
I figured out who I should be looking at in life, not how to look at life. If I said that or failed to make myself, clear, I apologize.

Well, agnostics believe that it's not possible to know if there's a God or not, and they're generally undecided in the matter. If you believe in God, you're a theist. You don't need a religion to believe in God.

To get back on topic, well, since I just joined and don't know the current argument. I'm not sure. I think mostly it's the Church saying things that aren't true. I'm not sure what exactly i am. I've been told I'm agnostic? I think that's what I am. I believe there is a God but I refuse to be affiliated with or believe in the Church. I think they are corrupt and have many issues. But, apparently according to some old guy who prophecised the popes says their's only one left so I guess I won't have to deal with them a whole lot longer, but bak onto my point I always think it's because we've grown to learn good from bad and we think that the "Mythological" gods maybe are bad?

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You figured out how to look at life when you where 15? I think you should be giving lessons then, most people never do figure out how to look at life, it astounds me that you have managed to do so at such a young age.

LMAO There's a play that has a really good part where the dad is saying something like this to the son... arg, can't remember the name though.

Clpo, I totally agree with you on the missionary thing. I think it's just sick the way they're destroying cultures.

uhuh... the grammar nazi

You're not bad, but your posts don't really go anywhere or say anything profound.

You figured out how to look at life when you where 15? I think you should be giving lessons then, most people never do figure out how to look at life, it astounds me that you have managed to do so at such a young age.

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He's definitely involved. Just look at all these ministries in third-world countries.

Ministries like those wiped out many parts of American Indian culture during the past five hundred years, and they have done wonders at eliminating "savage" cultures the world over. That doesn't seem like a redeeming quality to me. Pardon my bitterness, but I can't see God like you describe him condoning cultural cleansing like this. It may not be the genocide, but harm doesn't always need to be physical.

I don't liek that they missionaires are destroying the cultures either.
I think that places like the Amazon were a mistake, and that the missionaries lost the fact that these people aren't stupid, and so they killed the culture.

It's difficult to see God in things when you haven't found the way to look at life. Trust me; I couldn't figure it out till I was 15.