I don't think that God actually created the earth in seven days, but I believe he did create it. The question is when? We may never know but what we do know is that after the earth was formed, Adam and Eve were definitely not the first creatures to walk the earth. All you gotta do is take a look at dinosaur fossils. They may or may not be as old as scientists say they are, but obviously they must've have come way before humans because obviously, don't ya'll think that the entire race would've been devoured the viscious, carnivorous, giant reptiles? That part of the Bible, my friends, is totally fictional.

Ilovebush, I don't want to attack/mock your beliefs, but I have a few questions for you. Please don't take them the wrong way.

1. How old do you believe the earth is?
2. Do you believe that god created the earth in 7 days?
3. Do believe that organsisms do not evolve and any adaptations are a work of god?

If you don't mind, I'm going to correct you, ilovebush. First off, humans did not come from monkeys. Apes, perhaps, but not monkeys. There is a difference. Second, humans did not directly evolve from apes. A long, long time ago (hundreds of thousands of years ago), there was a common ancestor, most likely a land-dwelling ape-like creature. Over time, this species split into what would become humans and what would become the great apes. So, there is no "humans came down from the trees" or "humans are really monkeys". That is the mindless gibbering of anti-evolutionists.

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Thus I accept that there most likely is a supreme energy being of some sort that formed the Universe and allowed everything within it to be created, but I don't go around saying that we'll all be going to hell in a handbasket unless we worship this being.

The big thing here is that you should never, ever ignore scientific findings because they interfere with your religious beliefs. Science has the added advantage of having evidence, whereas the exact birthdate of Jesus is still in question.

When bauhaus called you closed-minded, ilovebush, he was referring to the fact that you won't accept anything that says the opposite of your views. Yes, you may very well go ahead and believe that God created the Universe and everything in it, but when the evidence stacks up against you, it is closed-minded to ignore it.

Indeed, we are all entitled to our own opinion, but when facts prove us wrong, it is always wise to release the false opinions and go about your way happily. Or even better, keep your opinions yet see both sides of the issue without bias. Is that so hard?

Okay, when I said that I didnt need a scientist to tell me that we came from monkeys, I didnt say that I won't listen to what other people's beliefs are. I mean that if someone says that my opinions are wrong (especially if they are about my religious beliefs), I'm not going to change my views and believe what they say. Yes, science does help us (like finding where they believe John the Baptist baptized people), but science isnt always right. Scientists use their knowledge and findings to come up with logical reasons for certain things. Scientists are human beings, just like you and me, and they arent always right. So I cant say that I am going to believe everything scientists say, especially if it goes totally against what I believe is right. And when did I ever say that others were going to hell if they dont worship God? I dont ever recall saying that, and I dont judge people on their religious beliefs...

its a belief system end of story

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that universes collided to form our universe (thats wrong but whatever)

Please don't ever say that again. You cannot possibly know if it's wrong or not. How was the Universe created? Go ahead. Tell me. And prove it. You can't, right? I thought so. Nobody can prove or disprove anything about the creation of the Universe and all it's contents. Why? Because nobody was there. Similarly, you cannot prove nor disprove the presence of an almighty being of some sort, which is why I am an agnostic. To be an agnostic is to acknowledge the fact that you cannot know if there is or if there isn't a God. This is not to say that you don't believe there is one, merely it conveys that you understand that you cannot prove it one way or the other.

So, there is sufficient evidence to say that the cosmic membrane theory is true. There is also sufficient evidence to say that the Universe is expanding, which means everything--life, stars, black holes--will cease to exist at one point in time, a point that is thankfully very, very far away.

However, many Christians who hold the same beliefs as you do, ilovebush, say that God could never let his Creation disappear. However, where is the rock solid evidence for God? There is none, and that's the problem.

Thus I accept that there most likely is a supreme energy being of some sort that formed the Universe and allowed everything within it to be created, but I don't go around saying that we'll all be going to hell in a handbasket unless we worship this being.

The big thing here is that you should never, ever ignore scientific findings because they interfere with your religious beliefs. Science has the added advantage of having evidence, whereas the exact birthdate of Jesus is still in question.

When bauhaus called you closed-minded, ilovebush, he was referring to the fact that you won't accept anything that says the opposite of your views. Yes, you may very well go ahead and believe that God created the Universe and everything in it, but when the evidence stacks up against you, it is closed-minded to ignore it.

Indeed, we are all entitled to our own opinion, but when facts prove us wrong, it is always wise to release the false opinions and go about your way happily. Or even better, keep your opinions yet see both sides of the issue without bias. Is that so hard?

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Originally posted by zeeta2009:
Hey I'm athiest and im looking 4 a debate on religion...but a friendly debate b/c i dont hav a problem w/religious ppl i jst wnt 2 see if i can get a few straight answers....

so here's my 1st question:

Frst of all, why is our god real but the gods from greek and roman "mythology" aren't?? I mean who's to say that in a few thousand years people won't call "God" mythology?!

A

A similiar question might be this....Why is the idea that the grass is green true but those who those who hold the idea that grass is purple are wrong? It has everything to do with what is really true....and nothing to do with what we SAY is true... or false for that matter. If there were no people in existance to believe anything at all....truth would still be truth.

Many Christians accept the theory of evolution and the big bang theory. Are they not true Christians?

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but I believe that God created all, whether scientists find evidence that says differently.


and this is what makes you so close minded.

umm no, this is what makes me a Christian. Heaven forbid that I'm strong in my beliefs, and I dont need some man called a scientist to tell me that universes collided to form our universe (thats wrong but whatever) or that we came from monkeys. As a Christian, I think that God created all, and he tells me that in the Bible. Just because I know what I believe, like you know what you believe, doesnt make me a close-minded person.

in the end we all die so I guess we'll find out

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but I believe that God created all, whether scientists find evidence that says differently.

and this is what makes you so close minded. If there is factual evidence that any religious figure could not argue against, you still wouldnt believe it?

hehe...thats an "okay, I get what youre saying, but no one can change my opinion - I'm quite stubborn (if you havent already noticed)."
I understand what you mean about people say that God creates everything because we have no other evidence to say otherwise, but I believe that God created all, whether scientists find evidence that says differently. So yes, I get your saying, and youre not an idiot (obviously), I just have my opinion already. but thanks for the insight.

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haha...okay...

I second that.

Is that an "okay, I get what you're saying" or a sarcastic "okay, you're an idiot"? Come on, people, admit it! It makes sense.

haha...okay...

I'm not going to say it isn't true, ilovebush, but neither will I say it is because I cannot possibly know if that's the reason people still worship a God or gods.

I know science can't explain everything, which is why I made the connection between having God explain away the unexplainable, just as Jupiter, and Mars, and Neptune explained things that the Romans couldn't comprehend. Is that such a bad thing? Personally, I think if it can't be explained by people obviously smarter than you, don't try to wrap your mind around it. It'll only give you headaches. Believe me, I know from experience.

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See what I mean? Sure, these days science can favorably explain some things that couldn't be explained way back when, but either there are still things that science cannot explain satisfactorily, or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences.

daggum clpo...you were doing so good. all I have to say is that science doesnt explain everything - and science was brought up long after people belived in the Lord and his creations. You were doing so good unitl you said "or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences." but keep up the good work clpo...you were so close...

They like me! They really like me!

Worth: If that is what you think about the "mythical" Greek/Roman gods, how do you explain the God of the Christians/Jews/Muslims? In my experience, He is also a way for people to explain what they don't understand, or don't want to understand. Can't explain how the Universe was created? God. Can't explain how humans came to be? God. Can't explain why today of all days you got that special parking spot at school when you usually don't? God.

See what I mean? Sure, these days science can favorably explain some things that couldn't be explained way back when, but either there are still things that science cannot explain satisfactorily, or people simply don't want to accept the fact that their God was made up to explain unexplainable occurences.

for like the first time ever, I actually agree with clpo. (shocker I know...)

What clpo said.

As far as mythology: The only reason why I really don't like it is just because they completely made up stuff that they just pulled out of the air to explain certain aspects of life. I'm sorry, I need more of a concrete reason than the imaginary, unbelievable stories from mythology.