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Both groups have the rational ones, and the lunatic-fringe ones. You have hardcore christians who believe that God will heal all illness, and you have the hardcore new agers/pagan who think the power of the vortex (or insert your favorite buzzword here) will heal all ills. It's the same for both, mainly because both are irrational and based on faulty information.

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vortex? youve insulted me. new age has nothing to do with a similar apocalyptic event that will heal all. new age is a perfsonal relligion, and you believe what you choose.

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Strangelove: You know, you could be right, but I still don't think we're as mindless as the orthodox religons are.

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Both groups have the rational ones, and the lunatic-fringe ones. You have hardcore christians who believe that God will heal all illness, and you have the hardcore new agers/pagan who think the power of the vortex (or insert your favorite buzzword here) will heal all ills. It's the same for both, mainly because both are irrational and based on faulty information.

Celtic: I wasn't talking about that. Everything has it's differences. But they are very few in Shamanism. They do slightly different practices to get to the same place. In that realm, nothing else matters.

Strangelove: You know, you could be right, but I still don't think we're as mindless as the orthodox religons are.

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No it doesn't. They're all very similar. Uncannily similar.

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true. but they all have their differences too

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Heh. Cause we think for ourselves. We're not mindless drones like the Christians.

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No, you're just mindless drones to a variety of different and muddled faiths.

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Why not?

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Because I just don't.

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it depends on what culture of shamans youre looking at.

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No it doesn't. They're all very similar. Uncannily similar.

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And I don't believe in your God.

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Why not?

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So with the christian, it's the same argument over and over. With pagans, it's different every time.

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Heh. Cause we think for ourselves. We're not mindless drones like the Christians.

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I happen to know a Shawman

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Riiiight.

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They are more like pristes than anything else

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No. Wrong again.

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They are usually Native Americans

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Allright! I suppose a little clarification is in order here. To let you know what Shamanism really is. I don't claim to know all, but I know pretty damn much. Shamanism is healing. Bottom line. The Wounded Healers strive to heal themselves, others, and the world, through the etheral or other planes. Yes, some do shapeshift, but it's not a physical manifestation, it's more of what people would refer to as lycanthropy, but in a controlled environment, such as ritual space. The Shaman tradition and practice has spanned years into our past, and is by no way an easy path to tread. Shamans go through fire, blood and death to get to where they are. Hard work and pain. There are Shamans from every culture. Native American, Celtic, Toltec, whatever.

A good book to check out would be By Oak Ash And Thorn by D.J. Conway. Hella lot of info in that one, and I'm not even done reading it. But it has a lot of history if you're into that. It has some rituals and such, but not much. It's more of an informational book about Shamanism. Read up you ignorant morons.

Ooookay. I guess I'm the only one then.

i know some, but not native americans, i know toltec shamans (i love the whole phylosphy of theirs but its so hard to follow), and one dude that was from Canada (he taught me the ways of the drum), and a few otehrs I've just met. I work at this new age/pagan/spiritual bookstore, so I meet a lot of these people and stuff....

Calm down Celt, it's not tha big a deal. Breath deeply and exhale. I happen to know a Shawman thank you very much. They are more like pristes than anything else. They are usually Native Americans and they are the smartest, i should know.

there is nothing i despise more than someone quoting the bible on this site. geez, its just a book. anywho, i defend paganism is someone says something about it, the christians (MOST of them, notice that i said MOST and not all) here just use it as some sort of evidence tool, which it isnt.

I do that on here mostly because pagans actually try and defend thier religion, rather than quote the bible.

So with the christian, it's the same argument over and over. With pagans, it's different every time.

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Dj, if that was directed at me, you've forgotten that I'm a fellow Deist.

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For the most part it wasn't directed at you. The statement was more less stating that I find most religions on the same level of irrationality. There was a little part that was directed at you because I notice that you tend to be a little harsher on the religions that are mysticism based; which leads me to think you give a little more credence to Christianity then other religions. Or I could just be completely misinterpreting.

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Just remember to always be yourself, and look to God for help

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I AM being myself. "Myself" is a wild predatory animal. And I don't believe in your God.

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not all shamanism is like that

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I know this and I never said it was.

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This, in any rational sense, is why you're feeling this way. Not a past life or spiritual forces.

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Maybe.

I didn't know y'all were deist, cool. That's what I thought I was for a while. lol I'm absolutly nothing because my ideas and opinions don't fit anywhere I don't guess. My fiance' relates most to deist beliefs though.

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I find mysticism no more irrational then Christianity, which got a lot of its religious practices from mysticism.

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Dj, if that was directed at me, you've forgotten that I'm a fellow Deist.

I find mysticism no more irrational then Christianity, which got a lot of its religious practices from mysticism.

Dr.Strange, people will always look to something bigger than we are. I think that's what makes mysticism seem cool. Other people look to a god or gods/goddesses, and others will look towards something along mystical lines.

Well I used to be a democrat. I think you can magage it.

i cant stop being mystical because I am
mystical...