I'm so confused about what exactly you are disagreeing with me about. You're saying that I am not Christian. But I am. How can you tell me I don't believe in something that I do? Just because I believe in it differently does not dispel my beliefs. Your tone is not offending, your assumptions are. Stop being a jerk.

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Originally posted by BoMoWo:
How do I make this any simpler for you to understand, you have made Christ a liar, You have made God false, and you have deceived yourself.

How have I done this?

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* There really aren't any lost people that need Christ.

Okay, you're right about this. I don't think there are any lost people that need Christ who haven't found Him or someone/something else or who won't find Him or someone/something else in the future. I don't believe in conversions, so how can I believe that there are people who need to be converted to Christianity?

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* Truth is relative.

Not necessarily truth. The earth is round is the truth. That isn't necessarily relative. But the Truth of religion (i.e. Christianity), which is what I guess you're talking about, is relative because, no matter what I believe, nothing has been proven universally true.

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* God is stupid.

How exactly did you get this from my beliefs? I don't believe this at all. I do, however, think you're stupid.

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* Jesus is even stupider than God.

Again, how did you get this from my beliefs that you assume to know?

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* You attempt to say that God is God alone, yet you deny His power and authority constantly.

I have never attempted to say that God is God alone. If you think by me being Christian is saying that then, again, I have a different type of Christian faith than you. I don't deny His power and authority. And you can't even add the constantly on there because you've read maybe 10 of my posts. So what makes you think this?

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* Your knowledge of the bible is extremly limited, yet your "theories" seem to be good enough to suffice for you.

My knowledge of the Bible is not extremely limited. I developed my theories from the Bible and my pure and simple logic. So what if I find them to be good enough?

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* You claim to believe that the things Jesus said are true and the word of God, yet you do not truly believe half of what He said.

Listen, jack***, I believe what He said. Again, where are you getting this from? Stop telling me what I do and don't believe.

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100% of Biblical prophecies have come true, from old testament to new, there is not one that has not been fulfilled, with the exception of the ones that are prophcied to happen later on in the future.

100% of Biblical prophecies about Jesus himself have come true, there is not one that He did not fulfil.

Not that I need it because I believe that even if they haven't come true, they will but...proof?

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In every archeological find that has been made about the facts in the Bible, The writings of the Bible match exactly what they find. Up to lists of kings, geneologies, places, items, and many other things of this nature. Old Testament and New Testament.

Proof?

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No other world religion can claim any of these things. No other rligion can hold up against the truth found in the bible.

You don't get what I'm saying at all. I think that God, Allah, and Buddha are all the same. God is Allah but by a different name. Do you not understand this? I do not think that God does not exist...I think that He is exists everywhere and different religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism) have developed around the belief system that there is a single, all powerful loving God. But the Muslims call Him Allah. So what?

How can you, as a Christian, honestly tell me that good and kind and peaceful and devout Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. are all going to Hell simply because they don't believe Jesus was the Messiah or they call God Allah and pray five times a day, or because they think that they're going to Nirvana instead of Heaven? How can you tell me these people are going to Hell?

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Evidence that Demands a Verdict.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/

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As for assuming things about you, the only opinions I will have of you is what opinions you give me. As many do I'm sure, I did not believe you to be a "depressed angsty teenager who has rejected Christianity to iritate society

Well, this made me think you did.

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There really aren't any lost people that need Christ.

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Nothing in your faith is proven, nor in any other faith.

Go read your History books, and then come back and tell me what you find.

I have a great book for you, it's called:
Evidence that Demands a Verdict.

If you really want to know the truth, do your research. I do mine, so any "assumptions" I make, are not assumptions at all, but they are derived from much study of the subject. I am obviously not the authority onthese things, I make mistakes in my post all the time and have to re-research stuff.

As for assuming things about you, the only opinions I will have of you is what opinions you give me. As many do I'm sure, I did not believe you to be a "depressed angsty teenager who has rejected Christianity to iritate society."

But instead I know you to be fairly level headed and to debate inteligently with evidence of what you say.

But let me state again, this thread is about debating evidence, so if you want to disprove what I believe, than bring evidence. If you don't care, than I will debate the people who do.

Everything you said is complete bull****.

Nothing in your faith is proven, nor in any other faith.

Stop assuming things. I'm not offended by your Christianity, I'm offended by how you assume things about non-believers. I could call you an ignorant waste of my rare oxygen, but since I don't know you, I don't call you that. Thus, if you don't know me, don't assume I am depressed angsty teenager who has rejected Christianity to pïss off society.

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Like I explained to you in the "Testimonies" thread, all of the main religions in the world are monotheistic (except for Hinduism) and believe in some higher power. They follow a set of morals (don't kill, don't be an adulterer...sound familiar?). My belief is that all religions, especially the monotheistic religions, are all following the same thing. They just call it something different and may have a few different traditions. They're lost in the translations of the literature.

Yes, I believe there is a Heaven and a Hell....for Christians. I also believe there is a Nirvana for Buddhists and the Hinduists will reincarnate until they reach Nirvana.

How do I make this any simpler for you to understand, you have made Christ a liar, You have made God false, and you have deceived yourself.

According to your belifs:
* There really aren't any lost people that need Christ.

* Truth is relative.

* God is stupid.

* Jesus is even stupider than God.

* You attempt to say that God is God alone, yet you deny His power and authority constantly.

* Your knowledge of the bible is extremly limited, yet your "theories" seem to be good enough to suffice for you.

* You claim to believe that the things Jesus said are true and the word of God, yet you do not truly believe half of what He said.

Let me state a few statistics for you:

100% of Biblical prophecies have come true, from old testament to new, there is not one that has not been fulfilled, with the exception of the ones that are prophcied to happen later on in the future.

100% of Biblical prophecies about Jesus himself have come true, there is not one that He did not fulfil.

In every archeological find that has been made about the facts in the Bible, The writings of the Bible match exactly what they find. Up to lists of kings, geneologies, places, items, and many other things of this nature. Old Testament and New Testament.

No other world religion can claim any of these things. No other rligion can hold up against the truth found in the bible.

I did not create this post to talk nice to everyone, I do that on every other post on this site.

But your minds have been offended, and your hearts revealed.

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It must be sad to have no hope of eternity.

I would like to thank you for assuming my beliefs.

No, I'm not an atheist, I believe in reincarnation. However, unlike some people, I fully acknowledge the fact that nothing that can happen after death has been proven; it's not being "sad", it's having common sense.

In any case, you just proved why to believe. It gives you hope for eternity. Simple.

With comments like, "That is a lie," you come off like a jerk. It's called an opinion, dumb*** so it can't be wrong.

Like I explained to you in the "Testimonies" thread, all of the main religions in the world are monotheistic (except for Hinduism) and believe in some higher power. They follow a set of morals (don't kill, don't be an adulterer...sound familiar?). My belief is that all religions, especially the monotheistic religions, are all following the same thing. They just call it something different and may have a few different traditions. They're lost in the translations of the literature.

Yes, I believe there is a Heaven and a Hell....for Christians. I also believe there is a Nirvana for Buddhists and the Hinduists will reincarnate until they reach Nirvana.

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That is the problem. No one knows what happens after death (besides the corpse rotting or maybe played with by a necrophile). Neither hell or heaven or reincarnation or anything have been proven, and likely will never be.

It must be sad to have no hope of eternity.

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1.Is there a Heaven and a Hell?

2.What are the purposes of Heaven and Hell if they exist?

That is the problem. No one knows what happens after death (besides the corpse rotting or maybe played with by a necrophile). Neither hell or heaven or reincarnation or anything have been proven, and likely will never be.

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With the basics structures of all religions laid down, everyone can be right.

As for this statement, it is a lie.

Plain and simple it is a lie.

Answer these two questions:

1.Is there a Heaven and a Hell?

2.What are the purposes of Heaven and Hell if they exist?

Hey DWM, I didn't mean to come off like that.

What I meant is this:

You and I both see a color, and the color is black.

You believe that it is black, and I believe it is white.

There is a truth, the color is black.

Yet some argue that whatever you believe to be true is true, but it is not.

So I'm sorry if I came off like a jerk, I didn't mean to.

He's saying that if you're both right then, essentially, you're both wrong also. He's thinking that what you think and what he thinks are complete opposites so if both are right, they cancel each other out and become wrong.

Which is illogical. Just because two wrongs don't make a right doesn't mean two rights make a wrong.

With the basics structures of all religions laid down, everyone can be right.

Yeah, dumb-***. Put it in layman's terms, wouldya? I may be smart, but evidentally, I can't encrypt the human language anymore.

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Why can't we both be right?

Because truth is not relative.

The very statement that truth is relative means that truth does not exist. therfore everyone would be wrong.

So there must be a wrong and a right, truth and lies.

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Er, that's not a very good debate. In fact, that's not a debate at all. You can simply use one book, written over 2,000 years ago that is filled with the theory that all power can't be seen (that's right -- theory), whilst we have to find actual facts and evidence? I think the real "debate," the real question, is whether YOU can find real facts or evidence outside of the Bible to support all that's in it. Or anything in it. ::Shrug.::

This was almost a good argument, but the question is not whether I can prove my beliefs to you, but it is whether you can disprove what you call my "theory", because I can disprove yours with the bible and with evidence from science, and world history, archeological discoveries, and many other things.

So if you have a theory that you would like disassembled, bring it on...

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Originally posted by BoMoWo:
Ok, I have had enough, the insults, and the posts targeted at making fun of Christians.

I am ready to debate anyone on this site who is willing to put their opinions on the line and bring their evidence against mine.

Do not give me theories that have no facts or evidence, if you have something to say you better come prepared to back it up.

If you do not know what you believe, then don't waste my time unless you want to know what I believe.

I believe that the Bible is the living word of God, every word is true, and it is infalable in any way.

So I am waiting... let's end this now...I want justice for the words of others stated without facts. Enough attacking Christians without evidence of your own.

If you debate me and lose, then stop writing things that aren't true about Christians.

So here I wait...

Er, that's not a very good debate. In fact, that's not a debate at all. You can simply use one book, written over 2,000 years ago that is filled with the theory that all power can't be seen (that's right -- theory), whilst we have to find actual facts and evidence? I think the real "debate," the real question, is whether YOU can find real facts or evidence outside of the Bible to support all that's in it. Or anything in it. ::Shrug.::

Have fun!

Why can't we both be right?