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Picture of Shade
Registered: December 27, 2006
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Satanism demands everyone else to follow your creed while in your house or around your person. If you don't, you're in risk of physical harm.

The last part is very important, clpo.


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Satanism demands everyone else to follow your creed while in your house or around your person.


That could be said to be true of other religions. Take, for instance, the Washington State pharmacists who have won the right to refuse to sell contraceptives because they find them against their moral beliefs. Satanists aren't the only one to force people to adhere to their beliefs.


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I have a question

who's stopping you from praying? seriously I have yet to hear of any case of a school offical going up to someone who might "allegedly" be praying and telling the to stop. I have yet to hear of detentions being issued for bring a deity in to "the educational enviroment" (their word for school).
I also have yet to hear of it really bothering people. Hell at my HS people pray all the time, of all vareity of faiths and the other 1600 of us just move on with our day.

so seriously what's the problem here?


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Satanism is not a religion, in the sense that religions are spiritual in nature. Satanism demands everyone else to follow your creed while in your house or around your person. If you don't, you're in risk of physical harm. They believe in selfishness to the extreme: anything for the self is the only thing that matters. This includes mental, sexual, physical, etc. They don't follow an entity or a God; it's not even addressed. The "Satan" in Satanism is the "self." They recognise evil in themselves and explot it.


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Just a qusetion: What is wrong with practicing Satanism and how is it different from any other religion?


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praying in school should NOT BE ALLOWED as it is connecting religion with schools, and that should only happen in RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS.



If the praying itself does not concern/bother/distrupt your learning? You are trying to say that taking away free speech/free will is a good thing.


the praying itself is religious. the thing is, it's a public school, there isn't supposed to be any religion. Now, if they allowed ALL religion in schools, and ALL prayer, then I'd be happy. But since there isn't SUPPOSED to be religion, there shouldn't be any.


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Originally posted by BrainsandBeauty:
I think prayer should be allowed in school. I don't care if you're Bhuddist or Muslim or Christian or Catholic. This country says you're allowed to practice any religion you want(except satanism) I think it should be allowed if you don't disturb anyone or disrupt the learining experience. Sometimes during school you have a bad day and you want to pray to someone and "the man" won't let you. I think that sucks! I love being Christian and if you can't appreciate that you can kiss my *%&.



um they can practice it in califonia there is a church of satan


there... is a church of satan??? WOOoowww... I would assume that might have been made illegal, but I guess it IS a religion, all the same. But I've always thought that people called Wiccans, Witches and Pagans Satanists, even though they obviously weren't, they were wiccans pagans and witches, and those were the only "satanists" correct me if I'm wrong, if there are any satanists around here?


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Originally posted by BrainsandBeauty:
I think prayer should be allowed in school. I don't care if you're Bhuddist or Muslim or Christian or Catholic. This country says you're allowed to practice any religion you want(except satanism) I think it should be allowed if you don't disturb anyone or disrupt the learining experience. Sometimes during school you have a bad day and you want to pray to someone and "the man" won't let you. I think that sucks! I love being Christian and if you can't appreciate that you can kiss my *%&.



um they can practice it in califonia there is a church of satan


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Yeah, in my high school, they had a whole prayer group. Does this accusation even have a source in truth?


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praying in school should NOT BE ALLOWED as it is connecting religion with schools, and that should only happen in RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS.



If the praying itself does not concern/bother/distrupt your learning? You are trying to say that taking away free speech/free will is a good thing.


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For the last time, people, praying in school has not been outlawed. It's being disruptive that's the problem.


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In class, kids should be able to pray a quick prayer at the start of a test, or say a blessing before lunch. School shouldn't deny kids the opportunity to expand their own faith and also to learn about everyone else's.


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read. you'll see my point of view.


Already responded.


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read. you'll see my point of view.


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If my religion says I have to kill the person next to me if he's wearing pink, I should be allowed to.


In cases like those, law usually trumps religion, so no, you wouldn't be able to kill the person next to you.



OK, bad example. How 'bout repeatedly poke the person next to me until he falls over if he's wearing pink?


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If my religion says I have to kill the person next to me if he's wearing pink, I should be allowed to.


In cases like those, law usually trumps religion, so no, you wouldn't be able to kill the person next to you.

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i should be allowed to miss school on all friday the thirteenths.


Then by all means, miss school on all Friday the Thirteenths. No one's stopping you. And usually, people missing school on Good Friday is just an excused absence called in by their parents. Your parents can call you in whenever they want for whatever reason... I mean, I've had quite a few "doctor's appointments" that actually were an appointment followed by going out to eat...


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I have my own religion.It's called Poco Ennuism. You are supposed to stay home and play guitar and eat brownies on all friday the thirteenths. If you're allowed to miss school on good friday, i should be allowed to miss school on all friday the thirteenths. I agree with these kind of things, as long as they apply to all religions.


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praying in school should NOT BE ALLOWED as it is connecting religion with schools, and that should only happen in RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS.

Anyways, why not satanism? It's a religion. I should be allowed to pray to satan if praying is allowed in school. If praying is allowed in school, so should coming to school dressed as a pirate, because that's part of some religions. If religious practices are allowed in school, if my religion says to swear at my toes when I pray, I should be allowed to. If my religion says I have to kill the person next to me if he's wearing pink, I should be allowed to.

As I said, religion has no place in school, or anywhere else, except for those religious places that you're supposed to pray in.


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Presently, in our schools there are prayer rooms being built or set aside for Muslims to pray during class time and they don't have to make up classwork they missed during their prayer time.

You know, that really pisses me off. My school in Jordan won't even give us an actual room for prayer; they just carpeted the landing of the stairs that go up to the roof. It's OK for one person, but like in Ramadan when people actually remember to pray, it's a real problem. It sucks that we can't get those simple liberties in my stupid private school in the middle east, but there are schools in America where you can.

The only time we were ever encouraged to pray in my school (outside of religion classes) was when King Hussein died. The teachers passed out Bibles and Korans accordingly and we all sat and read until our parents could come to get us. It's funny, we pretend to be secular until the King dies... it's just so Jordanian. Roll Eyes


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I think there is a point where you have to stop and way, how tolerant do we want others to be? I think that prayers should be allowed on an individual level, but I don't think it should be done among the masses. I live in Utah, and being one of the only people in my school who is not mormon is often werid, especially when there is prayer going on. I thought it was weird when I first moved here and they actually prayed together over meals and assemblies. I don't know I am not discouraging prayer or religion in anyway, but I think we need to respect those who don't want to pray.


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