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Picture of ChrissyLynn
Registered: September 19, 2005
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Well i am starting to explore the possiblity of having past lives, and it is deeply intresting to me.

Being Christian i wanted to find something supporting this in the Bible and i did....

Matthew 11:13 Jesus tells his disciples who John the Baptist was in a past life.

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John And if ye will recieve itthis is Elias which was for to come."

Matthew 17:12 Jesus says

"But i say unto you that Elias has come already and they knew him not but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the son of man suffer of them"

other reffernces to reincarnation in the Bible..

Matthew 16:13-14
John 9:2-3

what are your feelings on this topic, wether you christian or not.


Stop the world, I want to get off!
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Registered: September 14, 2007
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I think that babies that haven't been able to experience God on earth and understand that He is there (like to take Communion and know that it is Jesus), get another chance when they die. God takes back their spirits and waits to give them to another parent.


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Registered: August 31, 2007
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there is no such thing as past lives. you're born, you live, you die. You are always who you are, which is you, and will always stay you, and no one will be you or has been you. Except for that badger.


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I would like to know whether I have a past life...


" 'I will wait for you,' She said, 'Endlessly. I will wait for you' So spoke Misery"--"Endlessly, She Said" by AFI
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I doubt and question everything. There is nothing I believe that I haven't tested in my own way and in my time. But I am done talking with you. I feel my Wis score going down every time.


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was hoping that you would recognise sarcasm, but since you quoted it twice, to no avail, I've concluded that you're too unobservant to see it.


yeah, because I dont think it was "sarcasm" I think you really "feel" this book is right.
So anyway what is the title of this grand book?
I need to go to the library later.

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I'm not asking you to share the specific reasons for why you believe it. I'm asking for you to rationalize. Honestly.


you first.


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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Please keep a lid on the insults, guys. Even if they're only three letters long and British, I'm supposed to delete them.
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I'm not asking you to share the specific reasons for why you believe it. I'm asking for you to rationalize. Honestly.


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anyway did you even look back at what you typed?

"I feel that this book is telling the truth and it was published in 2002." That has nothing to do with my "feelings."

I was hoping that you would recognise sarcasm, but since you quoted it twice, to no avail, I've concluded that you're too unobservant to see it.


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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I don't "keep on" with anything. I mentioned it once. And I'm going to state, once and only once that my proof is for my ears alone, and is also very personal to me. And I'll not be sharing it with some git over the internet.


Then me too Roll Eyes


anyway did you even look back at what you typed?

"Ifeel that this book is telling the truth and it was published in 2002." That has nothing to do with my "feelings."


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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I have had dreams that I can fly too, but the dreams I have about past lives, (ME PERSONALLY) is what I have for MYSELF that is proof of past lives TO ME.

And how do you tell the difference?

Also, stop nit picking with my questions. Face the present question and answer that.

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you keep on with the "PROOF" crap and we have yet to hear your fantastic reasons for your beliefs...

I don't "keep on" with anything. I mentioned it once. And I'm going to state, once and only once that my proof is for my ears alone, and is also very personal to me. And I'll not be sharing it with some git over the internet.

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If I want to use dreams I WILL
If I want to use feelings I WILL

Then you can. But know that what you believe may not and most likely is not Truth unless you have tested it over and over again yourself. Believe nothing at face value, at first glance. Question everything, and you can sort the truth from the lies.

I reinstate my use of the word "git."


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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"I feel that this book is telling the truth and it was published in 2002." That has nothing to do with my "feelings."



Oh and read this slowly and tell me whats wrong with it....you "feel" its the truth but not based on your "feelings".....wow


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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Shade you asked me "why dont you need proof"

I have had dreams that I can fly too, but the dreams I have about past lives, (ME PERSONALLY) is what I have for MYSELF that is proof of past lives TO ME.

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My point is: You can't believe something was a past life just because it appeared in a dream. You have to really analyze it, and ask yourself hard questions, questions that must be answered objectively and without emotion. Be rid of your wants and your wishes and truly question the dream.


Lets here your OBJECTIVE resons for believeing in all this....you keep on with the "PROOF" crap and we have yet to hear your fantastic reasons for your beliefs...

Dont tell me what I can use and what I cant, as my proof (FOR ME) that past lives exist.

If I want to use dreams I WILL
If I want to use feelings I WILL

And untill you can reveal all the proof anyone could even need on past lives dont tell anyone why their beliefs arent valid based on anything they want to base it on.

Have a wonderful day.


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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How fair is it to ask me why I believe in something I cant prove when you claim to have proof that you cant prove to me or anyone here?

I never asked you that at all. Here is what I ask: Why do you believe something based on your feelings. Those two questions are not the same thing.

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And thoses vivid dreams I have are my "proof" to me

I dreamed I was a wolf once. I must have been a wolf in a past life. Damn, I've been living a lie. I've also had dreams that I was a merperson, a little girl raised on a ship, that I could fly, that I was a stag. I think I talked to a tree once... I must have been all of those. My point is: You can't believe something was a past life just because it appeared in a dream. You have to really analyze it, and ask yourself hard questions, questions that must be answered objectively and without emotion. Be rid of your wants and your wishes and truly question the dream.

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Aren't all spiritual beliefs based on feelings?

Feh, most of them. If that's the case, I must stand in a category all to myself.

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In other words, it's only your feeling that such an experience counts as proof towards validating your beliefs

It seems to me you're just fitting that word in that sentence just so it would work. "I feel that this book is telling the truth and it was published in 2002." That has nothing to do with my "feelings."


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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It's not that you "feel" that your beliefs are right, but you "feel" that your experience validates your beliefs.



Thank you clpo for saying what I couldnt find the words for.


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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Aren't all spiritual beliefs based on feelings? That's what it seems to me, at least, since I've yet to meet someone with proof of their beliefs other than feelings. I mean, even if you claim to have had some kind of physical spiritual experience, there's no way to use that as proof to show anyone else about your beliefs. In other words, it's only your feeling that such an experience counts as proof towards validating your beliefs. It's not that you "feel" that your beliefs are right, but you "feel" that your experience validates your beliefs.

That's just the way it seems to me, though.


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I believe in past lives. I believe in God. I have proof for both, proof I can't duplicate for others, but proof for myself. How can you believe something if you don't have proof of it? Don't tell me you "feel" it's right, please


How fair is it to ask me why I believe in something I cant prove when you claim to have proof that you cant prove to me or anyone here?

And thoses vivid dreams I have are my "proof" to me, but I cant prove it to anyone here, nor do I care to try. But aside from that the "feelings" I have about it come from the dreams I have.


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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I once had a dream that I was a French soldier in the second world war. It was pretty vivid. Other than that and a lot of deja vu, I have no idea.


I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Unless you are the one feeling them.

No, feelings are always irrational. They act of their own accord, contrary to logic and what the brain tells you. They may seem rational to you, but they are not. Unstable and unpredictable at best. Nothing to base a serious belief on.

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Not that I think people should base their beliefs around what "I" feel

I meant you. You should not base your beliefs on what you "feel."

Why don't you need proof? Some of us refer to that as blind faith. I believe in past lives. I believe in God. I have proof for both, proof I can't duplicate for others, but proof for myself. How can you believe something if you don't have proof of it? Don't tell me you "feel" it's right, please.


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Feelings are irrational


Unless you are the one feeling them.

And that is not the only thing I base my beliefs on.

Not that I think people should base their beliefs around what "I" feel. I just pesonally believe in past lives. No way to prove it, I dont need any proof. So whoever does, I am not the person to ask. This is one of those things like proving there is a God, you just believe or you dont.


"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR
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Feelings are irrational. Why would you base spiritual beliefs on them? Or any beliefs whatsoever?


...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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