In Luke 17:26 – 30, a mystery is revealed here and it read: “And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

If we will look and observe everything around us, people are indeed into eating and drinking - food chains that open 24 hours a day, people who are extremely fat or obese and sick because of food related and over eating diseases. People of any color or race everywhere are thinking of marrying, kids as young as 10 years old are having “love” relationships and daughters and sons are given in marriage by their weary parents. Business establishments that involve buying and selling are almost every where like shopping malls. People are busy working hard trying to own a house; while millionaires are building houses that worth hundreds of millions of dollars and buying lands to make an investment. – True, right? These were also the lifestyles of the people then of Noah and Lot when the world was punished. So what has happened to the people in the time of Noah and Lot are also happening today – coincidence? It also made me think that maybe we are living on the end times already. And I assume that next event is that we will all be clueless that the Christ has already come again. What do you guys think?

The verses above were somewhat a prophesy at the same time a clue and warning for us. The things that are happening around us – are they coincidental? What brought to the degradation of morals? There is another prophecy written in 2Timothy 1-9 about the characters of man in the last days. And true as I observed that morality has exceedingly and alarmingly degraded. Mankind is proud, incontinent, fierce, traitors, despisers of those that are good, unthankful, disobedient to parents, unholy, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, and having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof, et al. This is the last days;. the end of our celebration, sorrows, pleasure-filled days will soon be over. well,that's just how i see it.

People have been assuming they are living in the end times, sense it was first mentioned 2000 years ago. I for one prefer to focus on Christs fist coming rather than the second.

As far as what Shade was saying about not everyone believing Jesus was the Christ, the Apostles themselves were constantly in doubt. Examples:

Peter failing to walk on water
Thomas doubting Jesus' resurrection
and the many many cases Jesus asking them, "where is your faith?"

There was also issues of "who" Jesus was, many confused him with John the Baptist and Old Testament reincarnations. And then of course the simple, "crazy" explanation.

As far as Jesus himself confronting a "Christ" impersonator... I am no so sure about that story... it isn't ringing a bell. I do know of a character in the book of Acts who was a "sorcerer" who was proclaiming himself the messiah....

In any case, Jesus himself was not by any means the first to say he was the son of God. This is reflected in Pilot's approach to Jesus' situation.

But not trying to butt into anyone's conversation.

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We are cursed? I believe that the Bible states that we have already been alleviated from any curse of the Old Testament.

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Galatians 3:13, 14).

friend, we are all under a curse. the verse that you brought up was true - for the Galatians who are Christians - it was they who were not under a curse any more. the epistles were addressed to the fellow Christians who were living in far places. pls don't misinterpret it. the letter that Paul wrote was for the Galatians, not us. but we have to choice to have that curse lifted too, if we follow Christ. but the big question is, of all the religions that bear Christ, which one is of the Truth? the Bible has answered that in John 7:17, pls do read. if we under Christ, evil will depart from us.
if we follow Christ every aspect of our lives will be organized unless we are the one to reject such grace.

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it's just like finding the fountain of youth and you just wanna share it to all especially knowing that people need it.

Yes, I understand that, but there's a point where it's too far. You have to realize, not just in your thoughts, but about what you say; you have to realize that people believe different things. By saying that yours is Truth, the only truth and the rest is lies, it puts you off as vain.

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like who? maybe it was the times after Christ.

If you participated in the rest of this site, you would know that I don't know their names. I do know that Jesus had a confrontation with one of them in the bible ( but again, I don't know his name, nor where it is found. As I do not read the bible regularly, I don't know. ) But no, someone back me up on this. And...ah, I meant "no one" as a general term. Obviously his deciples believe that; or why would they be following him?

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how do you believe in God by not reading the Bible? what do you believe about God? may i know? thanks..

"God" is not only or always Yahweh. You can recognise and worship the Divine, the Source, "God" if you will, without it having a name, without it having a religon. You can recognise God in the earth, and in people around you, for surely, the Divine is in all of us, as we are origniated from it. I worship my Maker, which just happens to be Yahweh, but I do not believe he is the Source, or all of the Divine. There are other Gods in this world, lesser perhaps, equal in power, maybe, but there is one supreme Source that is not Yahweh. Maybe that's what the bible means when it says "God" created the world, then switches all of a sudden to "Elohim." That, however, is speculation, and harbours nothing to my beliefs.

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im just a mere recipient of the truth..

See? That's what I'm talking about.

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they are thre representations of Satan - death, famine, injustice, and the white horse

Of Satan? Wow. First of all, the Morningstar has little or nothing to do with any of these things, except maybe false religon. Death is a part of life. It was in Nature before Eden, and even the concept was around before Man ( the Fall of the Angels ). Famine is simply Nature's way of balancing things out. Not everything can thrive at once. There needs to be death for life to prosper. Famine is not a direct result of the Morningstar. And I hold to the belief that those of the chaotic persuasion, or evil if you must, can have Justice. I hold Justice very high in the things I value.

Indeed. I don't blame my bad days on anyone but myself. For the most part. I mean, having a bad day results from letting things get to me. Of course, there are days where more bad things happen, but it's my decision to be annoyed or brush them off (if I can).

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as what the Bible said, the world was given to the hands of the wicked. Yeah, i blame our forefathers especially Adam and Eve. They were given the best life and we could have had that too, if it werent for eating the forbidden fruit. but they disobeyed.. and i guess history cannot be undone,it is up to us to change the course of our lives and remove the curse. now, the answer to lift the curse is right in front of us, it will be all up to us whether we want it or not.and of course the big question, which to believe and who to follow because with so many pointing the directions, how will you know which way is the right way? it is up to our own instinct, and God will help find that sure way, if He sees us looking for it.

We are cursed? I believe that the Bible states that we have already been alleviated from any curse of the Old Testament.

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Galatians 3:13, 14).

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things happen for so many reason. if you are familiar with the book of revelations wherein there are four colored horses there.. they are thre representations of Satan - death, famine, injustice, and the white horse - false religion that will horse around and rule all over the world. these are making people suffer and they blame God. people blame God because of not knowing HIm. if you know Him, you'd see justice and love. .

I am familiar with the Book of Revelations, in fact I have read the entire book. And people don't necessarily blame God because they don't know him, but because they are desperate for answers. Go to a place where there is thousands starving or dying of thirst, or go to someone who's family has been slaughtered and whose race is being persecuted, and you will see this desperation.

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you will have a bad day because you let it to get it into you...so, you would indeed have a bad day. well, yeah blame them, but can you blame yourself? we have that Someone to guide us, He have offered His help, but would you let that Someone guide you and free you from the curse?

He was being sarcastic. If you didn't catch that , then I don't know what to tell you.

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i didnt categorized them as bad neither horrible.. but, as signs - like when the sun is setting, darkness will soon come right after.. get it? Jesus didnt categorized them as bad. these are and were some of the things that is happening and happened before. in the verse that i gave, God is telling us a piece of his mind. He is making us aware of certain things.. because He wants us to be prepared unlike some who are just so carefree.. and they're just waiting for the time they will give up their spirit.

I'm detecting a pattern, when she doesn't have an awnser ready to parrot from her pastor she tends to respond with utter bullshit that responds to question as well as a math problem

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They were given the best life and we could have had that too, if it werent for eating the forbidden fruit

Actually all 6 or so billion of us wouldn't be around if it wasn't for eve and adam eating the apple. They didn't notice each others differeances until after the fruit was eaten so no coitus in the Garden of Eden

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excuse me, but you just said "People of any color or race everywhere are thinking of marrying," in your list of bad horrible things that are happening

i didnt categorized them as bad neither horrible.. but, as signs - like when the sun is setting, darkness will soon come right after.. get it? Jesus didnt categorized them as bad. these are and were some of the things that is happening and happened before. in the verse that i gave, God is telling us a piece of his mind. He is making us aware of certain things.. because He wants us to be prepared unlike some who are just so carefree.. and they're just waiting for the time they will give up their spirit.

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So you are saying that EVERY bad thing happening now is the result of the disobedience of our forefathers? I think people should take some responsibility for their on actions and stop looking for someone or something to blame. Bad things happen as a result of our actions and every day decisions, but they also happen because that's life. Life is struggle

yeah, life is indeed a struggle. whoever we may be, life is indeed reallly hard.. but it is becuse of the hardship, we learn to be resilient and adaptable, and sometimes become numb.. but often it teaches us to endure.

as what the Bible said, the world was given to the hands of the wicked. Yeah, i blame our forefathers especially Adam and Eve. They were given the best life and we could have had that too, if it werent for eating the forbidden fruit. but they disobeyed.. and i guess history cannot be undone,it is up to us to change the course of our lives and remove the curse. now, the answer to lift the curse is right in front of us, it will be all up to us whether we want it or not.and of course the big question, which to believe and who to follow because with so many pointing the directions, how will you know which way is the right way? it is up to our own instinct, and God will help find that sure way, if He sees us looking for it.

things happen for so many reason. if you are familiar with the book of revelations wherein there are four colored horses there.. they are thre representations of Satan - death, famine, injustice, and the white horse - false religion that will horse around and rule all over the world. these are making people suffer and they blame God. people blame God because of not knowing HIm. if you know Him, you'd see justice and love. .

it is Adam and Eve who let sin came to the world.. meaning sin from the very beginning is not of this world. it just enterd the world. The world before was so good and perfect. it is because they were both deceived that's why we are where we are right now.. sh*thole. now, you wanna get out of that, we have to figure out who can save us from the ditch.

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No, this is good! Now every time I have a bad day, I can blame it on my ancestors. I wonder how police officers would respond to that excuse...

you will have a bad day because you let it to get it into you...so, you would indeed have a bad day. well, yeah blame them, but can you blame yourself? we have that Someone to guide us, He have offered His help, but would you let that Someone guide you and free you from the curse?

Ahahahahaha. Nice, Clpo. Very nice. :P

No, this is good! Now every time I have a bad day, I can blame it on my ancestors. I wonder how police officers would respond to that excuse...

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thanks YV, for your suggestion. i just believe that what ever issues that are currently discussed will only lead back to religion because i believe that whatever is happening to man and the world is the result of the disobeyance of our forefathers....

So you are saying that EVERY bad thing happening now is the result of the disobedience of our forefathers? I think people should take some responsibility for their on actions and stop looking for someone or something to blame. Bad things happen as a result of our actions and every day decisions, but they also happen because that's life. Life is struggle.

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excuse me, but you just said "People of any color or race everywhere are thinking of marrying," in your list of bad horrible things that are happening

That would probably be because she copied and pasted this from somewhere and that this is not her own words because from what I have been able to conclude she has yet to think for herself.

Woah...run on.

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is it? maybe to the eyes of other people who are particular about inter racial marriages. but to the couple in love, race is not considered as a hindrance. love is blind especially when someone is able to change you positively.

excuse me, but you just said "People of any color or race everywhere are thinking of marrying," in your list of bad horrible things that are happening

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a black girl and a white guy gettting married is a sign of the end times

is it? maybe to the eyes of other people who are particular about inter racial marriages. but to the couple in love, race is not considered as a hindrance. love is blind especially when someone is able to change you positively.

I'm white and I've always liked hispanic girls

huh being a harbringer of the end of the world isn't as cool as I thought it would be

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People of any color or race everywhere are thinking of marrying,

I suppose then that the fact that my boyfriend is Black and I'm Hispanic should send you running for the hills...

I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a black girl and a white guy gettting married is a sign of the end times

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Question your beliefs and you become stronger in them. I have. That's why I am where I am now.

You are a piece of work, did you know that? Have you ever been exposed to a religon other than Christianity?

i have and did the questioning and obeservations before i joined this religious group here. yes i have been exposed to Catholicsm, Born Again,and Buddhism - i have joined these groups but later i got out coz they couldnt put the fire out and i always keep questioning their doctrines. i keep wondering why their members arent changing despite they say God is with them? they still have their vices, et al.

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who would appreciate it if you didn't sound so haughty when you speak.

do i? im sorry. maybe i just feel surely sure of this truth i've found through this Christian group that was formed here in our country wherein not all doctrines of the Westerners have brought to our place could be at par with..
and maybe my english ain't jiving with yours that made it sound kinda haughty(?) it's just like finding the fountain of youth and you just wanna share it to all especially knowing that people need it. im sorry again though...

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No, because no one knew/believed he was the christ. There were other men who claimed to be the son of God, however.

like who? maybe it was the times after Christ. i disagree that no one knew or believed he was the Christ.. the apostles did, even the soldiers who thrust his body, and some Pharisees did and was converted. maybe not all of the Jews believed because their own high priests were blind leaders themselves as what their God said.

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No, this is not true. Many men believe in God and do not read the bible. I am among them. Pagans, Native Americans, and even people of orthodox religons. Not all read the bible who believe in the Source.

how do you believe in God by not reading the Bible? what do you believe about God? may i know? thanks..

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as for me I'm going to continue living my life and not being freaking paranoid about something I really have no control over.

im not freaking paranoid actually, its more of an anticipation and yearning for that time.

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So you're only here to try to convert people to your religion?

Um...I suggest you explore other threads as well as other parts of this site. There is far more to this site than a religious debate. It's only a suggestion though.

to convert is not my main motive here but to voice out what i have known and discovered. but now that our presiding minister is now in the States trying to spread the good tidings to the Americans.. i guess he has a better way of explaining than me .. im just a mere recipient of the truth.. but all of the questions about faith, he does it better. thanks YV, for your suggestion. i just believe that what ever issues that are currently discussed will only lead back to religion because i believe that whatever is happening to man and the world is the result of the disobeyance of our forefathers....

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If I'm reading that right it means that snakes and humans will always have differences and I have to say I have no idea how that relates to people when it more says to hit snakes with a stick

the snake is the symbol of Satan.. Satan has his own set of children and God too has his own set of children.. it is the ultimate fight of the times . ufc, wwe, boxing, and wwf.. are nothing. evil will battle with good and vise versa.

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Snakes are beautiful. No hitting.

i agree.

That's a good point, Triss. End times or no, it won't change anything, though I think I'd mind getting picked apart by giant locusts. But that's for then to think about. Nothing I can do now will change whether I am here or not to see it.