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Registered: December 06, 2006
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Who is willing to die for their beliefs? Who would die for anyone else no matter what - for your beliefs? I have news: DXR is a whole new way of life. It's not even a religion - it's a liberation movevment... but only if you're ready to die for what you know is right! http://avatars.imvu/guest_joslycat it's in the blog! -Peace- DXR( --Jo
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: December 06, 2006
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quote: Originally posted by DXRifYouDontKnowAsk:
From what I understand Mr Strobel was deeply rooted as an atheist.
Another understanding I pulled was that these "non" experts were in fact experts. As I've perviously stated, a scientist doesn't need a degree. It just helps the resume and credibility unless you put forth a good case. Mr Strobel is nothing of a scientist, but he probably knows as much as some because of his career as a reporter.
Schroder was a what? I'll have to read that one when I get the money for it.
I agree that ID doesn't totally disprove evolution (I have to keep an open mind as my fiance leans toward evolution even though he's Xian. he makes a good point). I do believe in evolution myself--to a point. Microevolution, in fact, is well documented. Macroevolution however, as in monkeys to man, doesn't hold much water anymore.
The mainstream ID theory isn't one I'm familiar with, honestly; I'd have to check it out.
Actually, if you give me the titles of some decent books that prove evolution, I'll end up going through and finding every little mistake and discontinuity. I'll come up with questions that none of the books can answer and I'll probably get my point across well, as my method of taking cue notes often ends up using exact quotes from the text and wondering where the explanation behind it is.
All of the evolutionary pieces that I've seen simply use evolution to be proof of evolution, and that's basically saying "to sit is...well, idk, you sit by sitting". There's nothing to support that. I mean, Haeckel's embryos? proven time and time again to be false...and yet they continue to use it as proof.
I'd love to continue my response but unfortunately I have to figure out how to pimp myself out as a babysitter for the next two weeks. cyaz
as I was saying, Strobel was also an atheist for almost 30 years, so it's not like he was ready and willing to try anything new. I actually forgot the rest of what I was saying...but yeah  God bless
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: January 16, 2003
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quote: Dying for your beliefs is terrorism.
Eh...no. I think that you should look in to getting yourself acquainted with your dictionary.  Is it me, or do people throw the word "terrorism" around too carelessly these days?
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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No dying for your beliefs is Martyrdom Dying for your beliefs can come as the result of an act of terrorism. For example the WTC hijakers all died for their beliefs, but folks like Dr. King (that's Martin Luther for the slow to catch on) and the buddhist monks who self-immolated in protest of the conquest of tibet also died for their beliefs and any one who calls Dr. King a terrorist wants to be careful where they say it cause they're askin for a lynchin in some parts of the country
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 15, 2007
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Dying for your beliefs is terrorism.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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One of the shooters did ask someone if she believed in God, but he didn't kill her. The media falsely attributed the whole deal to another girl for who knows what reason. Heck, the girl who was asked the question didn't even come up with a solid answer. She flip-flopped between yes and no before the shooter left her alone after taunting her. So, uh, sorry to dispel that myth.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 16, 2003
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quote: Did you know there was a girl in the Columbine shootings that was asked Do you believe in God and she said yes. They killed her for it but I thought it was amazing that someone had that much courage and faith to die for her belief in God.
I heard that was a lie. But then again, if it was true, they would have probably killed her if she had said yes or no. I think they just wanted to kill as many people as possible. If it was true though, I'm glad she was true to her beliefs(whatever they might have been).
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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Registered: June 01, 2007
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Did you know there was a girl in the Columbine shootings that was asked Do you believe in God and she said yes. They killed her for it but I thought it was amazing that someone had that much courage and faith to die for her belief in God.
He is slow to get angry and full of unfailing love. Psalms 108:3
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Registered: December 06, 2006
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From what I understand Mr Strobel was deeply rooted as an atheist. Another understanding I pulled was that these "non" experts were in fact experts. As I've perviously stated, a scientist doesn't need a degree. It just helps the resume and credibility unless you put forth a good case. Mr Strobel is nothing of a scientist, but he probably knows as much as some because of his career as a reporter. Schroder was a what? I'll have to read that one when I get the money for it. I agree that ID doesn't totally disprove evolution (I have to keep an open mind as my fiance leans toward evolution even though he's Xian. he makes a good point). I do believe in evolution myself--to a point. Microevolution, in fact, is well documented. Macroevolution however, as in monkeys to man, doesn't hold much water anymore. The mainstream ID theory isn't one I'm familiar with, honestly; I'd have to check it out. Actually, if you give me the titles of some decent books that prove evolution, I'll end up going through and finding every little mistake and discontinuity. I'll come up with questions that none of the books can answer and I'll probably get my point across well, as my method of taking cue notes often ends up using exact quotes from the text and wondering where the explanation behind it is. All of the evolutionary pieces that I've seen simply use evolution to be proof of evolution, and that's basically saying "to sit is...well, idk, you sit by sitting". There's nothing to support that. I mean, Haeckel's embryos? proven time and time again to be false...and yet they continue to use it as proof. I'd love to continue my response but unfortunately I have to figure out how to pimp myself out as a babysitter for the next two weeks. cyaz
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I don't disbelieve Lee Strobel because he's Christian; I disbelieve him because he's an atheist turned Christian. I mean, he can't have been much of an atheist in the first place if he converted that easily. Okay, not really. I've read the book myself and I have to say, it's nothing I haven't already heard. It's really nothing special, just like his other book Case for Christ. He doesn't actually prove anything. He just kind of reiterates the usual Christian stance while putting forth assumptions and claims made by non-experts, just as any pro-ID book does. Most of Strobel's sources for that book only have degrees in philosophy and theology, with only a handful being real scientists. Oddly enough, I've also read The Science of God by Gerald Schroeder, which does a much better job at providing scientific sources to support ID, which also failed to convince me of anything. This is odd because Schroeder is a Also, if you insist on keeping Lee Strobel as your source, you should realize that Intelligent Design does not disprove evolution. In fact, the mainstream version of ID holds that evolution did in fact occur, although it was propelled by a supernatural figure (and it wasn't Darwinian). The only thing Strobel is attempting to do is show that evolution didn't naturally occur, an idea which is supported by nearly every reputable scientist out there. I could probably find a bunch of books proving evolution, but I somehow doubt you'd believe them, even if you read them. It's going to take a lot more than "life is too complex to be random" (the usual argument) to get me to believe in ID. But at least I know where you're getting your information.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 06, 2006
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wolfie: thank you for your sarcasm. duly noted. clpo: my source for this information? A Case For A Creator by Lee Strobel I've pretty well lived under a rock my whole life, so that's my source. Lee Strobel, I might add, was an atheist reporter led to Christ in his quest to disprove the Bible through interviews with science greats. Check it out. You might enjoy reading about how they disprove evolution. Hopefully you're not like my friend who simply says "if you read it in a book by a Christian, of course I'm not going to read it, since he's just as deluded as you are". That would bring laughter and pity from me.
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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I'm still not getting you DXR. It seems to me that the only way I'd miss evolution being disproven is if I was living under a rock for my whole life, which I'm fairly sure I haven't been. I'd like to see a source for that claim, if you don't mind.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 18, 2005
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Sooooo, let's say I write a book... of course I would have to use a male name because no one ever listens to women (look at the bible) and I put in it a bunch of random stuff about how I'm a prophet of god and tell everyone that at the age of 55 they should commit suicide by jumping off of skyscrapers so that way they can "fall" into eternal salvation. and then i throw in some random hero who killed himself for everyone's "bad" lifestyles and then they'd believe it? that'd be sweet. seriously though, if you believe every word of the bible is true than you probably think the world of Hogwarts is real as well... who knows maybe someday in a couple thousand years some person will find the HP series and consider dumbledore god and voldy the devil. that'd be badass.
-toodles
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Registered: December 06, 2006
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clpo... I meant in terms of Evolution. geez. That theory has been disproven so many times in the least fifty years, it's not even funny anymore, yet they insist on teaching it at schools, and THAT, dear sir, is outrageous. Outdated information is for the past. Let's move on with the true sciences. Modern science, true science, backs up the idea of a creator, not necessarily any one religion. I mean, it's not just a deity, either, because it's blatant that that creator is active today....some (most) are just blind to it. You don't seem confrontational at all Just giving your side and asking mine. Does that answer a little bit?
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: I meant that if you look at modern science, not the stuff they teach in school.
Which...is modern science. I'm not sure what schools you're talking about, but every school I've ever attended taught straight up science. None of what I've learned has ever turned out wrong or contradictory, unless you're telling me physics doesn't really exist and Newton really died from apple-related injuries instead of going on to define gravity and such. Perhaps you should outline exactly what your definition of modern science is, since I really don't see how it (or at least, my idea of it) backs up religion. I apologize if I seem a bit confrontational, but you're making claims I find a bit laughable, if only because I don't really get where you're coming from.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 06, 2006
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Maya and clpo: I wasn't talking about the Bible as its own evidence, thank you very much. I meant that if you look at modern science, not the stuff they teach in school. DrStrangeLove: uh, excuse me, but a scientist doesn't need a degree. That, and I read books. Seriously, if I was older and had the ability to do a totally unbiased experiment (as in, don't rule out anything, even creationism), I would in a heartbeat. However, since I'm just barely an adult and I own a total of about 120$ worth of stuff to my name, I'll settle for reading the reports on other scientists' work. i.e., Lee Strobel(atheist led to christ by science), Steven Meyer PhD, Michael Behe PhD, etc. Those guys are blooming awesome, and I highly suggest you google them and see what they're about. Shade: yeah I did... "tell me, Shade. I want to know more about the God I worship, and apparently, He goes against the very words He spake in the Bible. Tell me this new information which could undermine everything I believe. How has the faithful Lord been unfaithful to a mere human, which He swore never to turn from?" that's asking.
The Lord shall neither leave you nor forsake you. We are who abandon our creator, never vice versa. Trials and terrors of the world upon a Christian are just trials, strengthening our faith or destroying it altogether. Make the choice. Stay strong or believe in the lies.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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quote: hence why I ASKED.
What? You never asked. quote: There is more scientific evidence for that now than there is for evolution
I'm wondering where you found this evidence you speak of?
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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quote: Originally posted by DXRifYouDontKnowAsk:
clpo:
He exists. There is more scientific evidence for that now than there is for evolution.
AAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG! *beats head against wall* ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? Seriously stop determining what has more "scientific evidence" if you're not a scientist.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?"
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: He exists. There is more scientific evidence for that now than there is for evolution.
God tells us what He wants in His book, the Bible.
And I say the Invisible Pink Unicorn exists and all the evidence for her existence is written clearly in the Invisible Pink Book for all to read. In order for the Bible to be proof of God's existence, God must already be known to exist, since the veracity of the Bible depends entirely on it being divinely inspired by God. However, in order for us to know for sure that God exists, the Bible must already be true, since it tells us everything about God. A nice little bit of circular logic there, isn't it?
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: November 27, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by DXRifYouDontKnowAsk:
clpo:
He exists. There is more scientific evidence for that now than there is for evolution.
God tells us what He wants in His book, the Bible.
woah...what?? the Bible is scientific evidence that God exists? Or what is this scientific evidence you're talking about. Explain. Also, again, who wrote the Bible?
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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