You're too tenatious for your own good.

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That's because the evidence will sporatically appear when you least expect it, like everything else.

So has there been any evidence yet.

That's because the evidence will sporatically appear when you least expect it, like everything else.

So far I have not seen any evidence to back up the position that life just randomly appeared on earth. If you don’t have any evidence to back up your position don’t claim the scientific high ground.

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Its annoying isn’t it.

Yes. Especially when you are trying to insult someone.

Not like I would ever do that

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Look! we have something in common.

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I do that alot too.

Its annoying isn’t it.

Look! we have something in common. I do that alot too.

Sorry I meant to say can’t. I cant prove it.

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I can prove that God exists

Then, please, by all means, prove it.

To bring it back to the original point, I can prove that God exists; science can’t prove anything the question is which theory is the best which theory stands us to tests the best.

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Maybe it one in ten to the hundred billionths power of a chance that it won’t fall down.

We will cross that bridge when we get there.

How do you know that it’s not just random chance? Maybe it one in ten to the hundred billionths power of a chance that it won’t fall down.

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Can you see, or play with gravity. No so how do we study gravity? We look at the effects of gravity. The same holds true with the theory of a designer.

The problem with this is I can prove gravity exists by dropping anything. You can't prove a desinger exists.

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But we can perform experiments that somewhat replicate the origin of life. Life is just certain combinations of amino acids, which we can play with all we want. But again, no such experiment could be performed on this designer of yours.

Can you see, or play with gravity. No so how do we study gravity? We look at the effects of gravity. The same holds true with the theory of a designer.

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Statistically improbable.

No I meant statistically impossible. There is a difference between something being statistically impossible, and something being impossible. From the perspective of statistics it is not possible for life to spontaneously appear.

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I will accept no more general evidence. Either give me reliable, credible sources or stop arguing.

All right, I was being general to see your reaction to the points so that I can know what type of evidence to post.

Here are a few examples out of dozens of the fine tuning of the universe.

1. strong nuclear force constant
If larger: no hydrogen; nuclei essential for life would be unstable
If smaller: no elements other than hydrogen

2. Gravitational force constant:
If larger: stars would be to hot and would burn up too quickly and too unevenly
If smaller: stars would remain so cool that nuclear fusion would never ignite, hence no heavy element production

3. electromagnetic force constant:
If larger: insufficient chemical bonding; elements more massive than boron would be too unstable for fission
If smaller: insufficient chemical bonding


Here’s some evidence from Biochemist Michel Behe.

One of the most well known examples of complexity on even the smallest levels that Behe uses is the bacterial flagellum. Evolutionists can’t explain the evolution of the Bacterial Flagellum.

“The general professional literature on the bacterial flagellum is about as rich as the literature on the cilium, with thousands of papers published on the subject over the years. Yet here again the evolutionary literature is totally missing. Even though we are told that all biology must be seen through the lens of evolution, no scientist has ever published a model to account for the gradual evolution of this extraordinary molecular machine.”

Ah, but this is about what should be taught in school: science or non-science. I very much think that matters. I may not be able to change Neph's mind, but I'll sure have a go at it.

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You can’t prove how life originated, because we can’t duplicate it and we weren’t there to watch the forming of the universe.

But we can perform experiments that somewhat replicate the origin of life. Life is just certain combinations of amino acids, which we can play with all we want. But again, no such experiment could be performed on this designer of yours.

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So what proof do you have that life came about threw random chance?

I could easily say that the lack of evidence of a designer is evidence of random chance. But you won't accept that, so I'll say I have just as much evidence that your designer exists, which is to say "none at all."

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The mathematical proof that says that it is statistically impossible

Statistically improbable. The odds may be slim, but they still exist.

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The Astronomy evidence that says that the universe was designed and delicately balanced.

No, it doesn't. Astronomical evidence may lend credence to the idea that the universe is delicately balanced, but it certainly doesn't prove it.

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The biological evidence that shows that life just does not spontaneously appear

Again, no. There is no such concrete evidence.

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And the life experiences that show that things like a fighter jet have a designer and maker.

Not evidence. You're comparing the universe (which was created and perfected over billions of years) to a jet fighter, which is completely artificial.

I will accept no more general evidence. Either give me reliable, credible sources or stop arguing.

Arguing about creationism and evolution is like throwing pebbles into the ocean, it really doesn't accomplish much at all.

So I suggest stop arguing, you'll get nowhere with it.

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The mathematical proof that says that it is statistically impossible

Clpo already explained how this is wrong.

What are the other examples. Be specific please.

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What proof do we have that it didn't?

First to answer your question, I do have evidence.
The mathematical proof that says that it is statistically impossible
The Astronomy evidence that says that the universe was designed and delicately balanced.
The biological evidence that shows that life just does not spontaneously appear
And the life experiences that show that things like a fighter jet have a designer and maker.

Secondly you did not answer my question, so I am assuming then that you don’t have any evidence.

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So what proof do you have that life came about threw random chance?

What proof do we have that it didn't?

(oh snap! How do you like that? )

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There are other ways to test the theory other than recreating the universe.

So what proof do you have that life came about threw random chance?