quote:

It is a logical impossibility for this God, who is omnipresent, to exist whilst being constrained in the person of Jesus

God has three parts, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So part of God, Jesus could be constrained by being on earth as a human, while the rest of God was still unconstrained.

quote:

For someone to talk about proof, I'd like to know how you could ever prove such a statement.

I'd like to know how you could ever prove the existence of such a being. I suppose I take a random universe just as much on faith as you do a created universe, but in my mind, a random universe seems much more likely, since it would be completely natural. You (and Nephilem) speak of some extra-dimensional supernatural being that just happened to create humans just so we could love him. That is a very outlandish claim.

quote:

God is all powerful.

But he must be constrained by his own creation once he enters it, a pysical realm cannot contain a being of omnipotent power, who is omnipresent. It is a logical impossibility for this God, who is omnipresent, to exist whilst being constrained in the person of Jesus.

quote:

And if God is not part of the universe, he would find it amazingly difficult to become Jesus and walk on earth.

God is all powerful. Also thing in one dimension can affect things in a different dimension.

quote:

I will say it again God is not part of the Universe.

How can he be seperate from the universe, and yet be a personal and close God? It is impossible to be so remote, the tenth dimension, and remain a personal God.

And if God is not part of the universe, he would find it amazingly difficult to become Jesus and walk on earth. Just a point of fitting something that is outside time and space into it for thrity something years seems to be a little unlikely.

quote:

I'm gonna' keep on doing this until you understand why I do it.

I understand completely what you are doing, I knew the first time that you did it.

quote:

I will say it again God is not part of the Universe.

Well I say that it is so disprove it I'm gonna' keep on doing this until you understand why I do it.

quote:

But even if this is true, that only establishes a location for God. But I still can't accept that God has existed forever since the universe and all possible variations of it have not existed forever.

I will say it again God is not part of the Universe.

quote:

The odds of there existing a supernatural, omnipotent being that just happened to want to create life for kicks are far, far greater than the odds that such life came about completely by chance.

For someone to talk about proof, I'd like to know how you could ever prove such a statement.

Really now. A different dimension. Come on, how much of that do you really expect me to believe? You have no proof of any of that. Scientists aren't even sure if there are more than three (or four, I suppose) dimensions.

Although if the model of 10 dimensions is true (superstring theory, that is), I suppose God would be in the 10th dimension, which encompasses every possible events in every universe at all times.

But even if this is true, that only establishes a location for God. But I still can't accept that God has existed forever since the universe and all possible variations of it have not existed forever.

quote:

I mean, what are the odds that God could have come about by chance? He certainly couldn't have created himself, and there's nothing greater than God that could have created him, and the universe hasn't existed forever meaning God couldn't have existed forever

God has always existed, and he always will exist.
Secondly he is not part of the universe, he created the universe. God is in a completely different dimension.

Maybe he wanted followers. As it was, the Source was alone, according to the bible. He had all this potential for life, but no life. And so perhaps he created the Gods, the celestials, the fae, the mortals the earth for companions? Or if the xians want to believe Yahweh created the world, maybe he just wanted worship. Haha.

The odds of there existing a supernatural, omnipotent being that just happened to want to create life for kicks are far, far greater than the odds that such life came about completely by chance.

I mean, what are the odds that God could have come about by chance? He certainly couldn't have created himself, and there's nothing greater than God that could have created him, and the universe hasn't existed forever meaning God couldn't have existed forever.

So where did God come from , and how improbable is it that he exists?

quote:

how about this Creationism with evolution as a tool of God, not as a seperate guess

That is a reliably theory. Once you add God in the picture, the origin of life problems go away. However, while I believe in evolution within a species, I’m not sure about one kind of animal evolving into another different type of animal. The main problem with all creatures evolving from one organism is that it is outside the boundary of the genetic codes.

how about this Creationism with evolution as a tool of God, not as a seperate guess

The universe was designed by god, and god guided the creation process which lasted for about 13 billion years.

This thread is mainly to keep the fight off of other boards, so they don't get too far off topic and shut down. It's a good argument... in the right place.

As long as somebody taped it, so I could watch it over and over again.

I think the two should just fight, and whoever is left standing will be crowned "Best Theory".

Well.. the way I look at it is I have enough to deal with in the life that I'm living to worry about how this life came to be.

But when I was younger I believed in Creationism. I guess I might still stand by it.