I think prayer should be allowed in school. I don't care if you're Bhuddist or Muslim or Christian or Catholic. This country says you're allowed to practice any religion you want.(except satanism) I think it should be allowed if you don't disturb anyone or disrupt the learining experience. Sometimes during school you have a bad day and you want to pray to someone and "the man" won't let you. I think that sucks! I love being Christian and if you can't appreciate that you can kiss my *%&.

Silly libertarian talk? You're the one defending these people.

Indeed, people have the right to believe and do as they wish. But when your job is to serve people and you don't, there's something wrong with that. It'd be like a doctor refusing to do a blood transfusion because he's a Jehovah's Witness. If your personal beliefs interfere with your job, you need to find a different job.

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Bushsupporter:
Hamburgers are food. Restaurants serve food. Ergo...

Ah ah ah, wrong. You specified a vegetarian restaurant. Clearly, a vegetarian restaurant only serves particular types of food, so it doesn't fit as an analogy.

These private pharmacies only provide particular types of medication.

The bottom line is that you think these private business owners should be forced by the government to sell things that they don't want to sell. All of your silly libertarian talk seems to be absent in this discussion. If you disagree with their choice, fine, but you have no right to tell them what they can and can't provide.

I think you shpould be able to. Its your business do what you want to do.
Its not right to have to supress your religion.

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Bushsupporter:
Hamburgers are food. Restaurants serve food. Ergo...

Ah ah ah, wrong. You specified a vegetarian restaurant. Clearly, a vegetarian restaurant only serves particular types of food, so it doesn't fit as an analogy.

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Or not. Plan B is medicine. Pharmacies carry medicine. Ergo...

These pharmacists aren't even required to tell patrons where they could go to get certain medicine. They simply turn them away and that's that.

Or at least, that's the case in Washington. If you don't live here, I suppose I can pardon you.

Hamburgers are food. Restaurants serve food. Ergo...

The fact remains that these are private businesses that can carry and sell whatever they want. And if they don't carry something they don't have to tell someone where else to go to get it.

Beside, plan B is medicine, just like viagra is medicine. Are they pharmacuticals, yes, but I wouldn't say that Plan B is medicine like pennicilin is medicine. But, I suppose you would. Cool.

Or not. Plan B is medicine. Pharmacies carry medicine. Ergo...

These pharmacists aren't even required to tell patrons where they could go to get certain medicine. They simply turn them away and that's that.

Or at least, that's the case in Washington. If you don't live here, I suppose I can pardon you.

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How is that forcing people to adhere to beleifs?

They refuse to fill prescriptions based on moral beliefs. It's not that they don't carry the medicine. They simply refuse to fill it because they disapprove of the reason for taking the medicine. That'd be like going to someplace that servers hamburgers and having the cashier refuse to serve you a hamburger because he or she is a vegetarian.

No, it would be like going to a vegetarian restaurant and ordering a hamburger (which they don't have on the menu). That's what it is like. "Sorry, we don't serve hamburgers"..."Oh, well thanks anyway, I will go down the street to the burger place"..."OK, thanks for coming anyway". That is all that happens. There are no lectures, they just say "we don't sell those".

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How is that forcing people to adhere to beleifs?

They refuse to fill prescriptions based on moral beliefs. It's not that they don't carry the medicine. They simply refuse to fill it because they disapprove of the reason for taking the medicine. That'd be like going to someplace that servers hamburgers and having the cashier refuse to serve you a hamburger because he or she is a vegetarian.

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If some kid wants to spend his lunch break praying he's welcome to, but it shouldn't go beyond that.

Wrong, people should be allowed to pray in school whenever they want so long as it does not disrupt their education - meaning not just during lunch break.

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There is nothing wrong with a person bowing their head in prayer while in the physical school building.

As long as people do it during break time it's fine.
Education is about learning established facts, or atleast well funded theories like evolution.
Religion isn't factual and can't be proven to be empirically true so it has no room in classroom's.
If some kid wants to spend his lunch break praying he's welcome to, but it shouldn't go beyond that.

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You say oh, I see, I will go elsewhere. How is that forcing people to adhere to beleifs?

Pharmacies exist to cater to people's needs, not to people's moral beliefs. Even so, pharmacists are entitled to sell whichever products they choose so there isn't really anything wrong.
That would never happen in europe because we see health care as a right and not just a bussiness to make money.

Actually it is not pushing religion. Besides you said below that "Satanists aren't the only one to force people to adhere to their beliefs". Force people to adhere? Come on. You walk in and say I have a perscription for the pill, the pharmacist says we don carry them, sorry. You say oh, I see, I will go elsewhere. How is that forcing people to adhere to beleifs?

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That is silly and completely irrelevant. Privat pharmicists can sell whatever they want.

It's still pushing their religion. Thus, it's related to the quote I used.

As for praying in school, I don't see anything wrong with that so long as it's not disruptive. Everyone has a right to practice their religion.

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There is nothing wrong with a person bowing their head in prayer while in the physical school building.

Absolutely.

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Satanism demands everyone else to follow your creed while in your house or around your person.

That could be said to be true of other religions. Take, for instance, the Washington State pharmacists who have won the right to refuse to sell contraceptives because they find them against their moral beliefs. Satanists aren't the only one to force people to adhere to their beliefs.

That is silly and completely irrelevant. Privat pharmicists can sell whatever they want.

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Prayer should not be allowd in public school. If parents or students want prayer during school hours they should go to an appropriate private school. Mandatory prayer for Muslim groups is fair... because it is a prt of their practice but it should not be supported or discouraged by the school.

Again with Muslims being affored more rights than Christians. If they can pray, I can pray. There is nothing wrong with a person bowing their head in prayer while in the physical school building. If is is disruptive, probably not, but the government and you have no right to tell anyone when and where they can and cannot pray.

Prayer should not be allowd in public school. If parents or students want prayer during school hours they should go to an appropriate private school. Mandatory prayer for Muslim groups is fair... because it is a prt of their practice but it should not be supported or discouraged by the school.

I don't claim to know anything beyond the basics of Satanism so I'm not going to add to that particular discussion.

I would like to say, however, that "praying in schools," as far as being banned is concerned, is defined as prayers being read over the intercom and being mandatory. No one in their right mind has a problem with people quietly offering up a prayer to whatever deity/s they believe in.

Satanism as defined by LaVey. I wouldn't claim to know everything, but I skimmed their bible with as much as I could mentally tolerate.

Okay, now I have to wonder where you got that since I've never heard anything of the kind about Satanism. Are you sure you're not confusing some extreme form of Satanism with mainstream Satanism? As far as I know, most Satanists don't care at all what other people do.