THE BIBLE GIVES POSITIVE SUPPORT FOR SAME SEX COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS IN STORIES ABOUT RUTH AND NAOMI IN THE BOOK OF RUTH AND DAVID AND JONATHAN IN I SAMUEL 18-20 AND II SAMUEL 1.

THE BIBLE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES NEVER CONDEMNS SAME SEX ROMANTIC LOVE AS SIN.

THE BIBLE NOWHERE SAYS THAT GAYS AND LESBIANS CAN OR SHOULD CHANGE THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT MENTION IN THE BIBLE.

A number of homosexual relationships are described positively or neutrally in the Bible.

The Bible says little about homosexual feelings.

God’s destruction of town of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
It really wouldn't be such a terrible idea. I'd be behind it.

Ya think? I just might. Look for it in this section. I'll try and make it part 2 to this one.

It really wouldn't be such a terrible idea. I'd be behind it.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
Yeah, you tell 'em iamastar! (I've actually been reposting some of that data.)

Cool beans. I may just end up using stuff right off the sites to get 'em think from a different angle. It's like they're just going around and around with the same old stuff. Here's an idea: start a totally new thread on this subject. HaHaHa - now that would be comical.

Yeah, you tell 'em iamastar! (I've actually been reposting some of that data.)

Risk can find the bold here, but not for her signature.

Interesting.

My advice is to all of you guys is to check out the three links that I posted within the first two pages of this thread. I think that Freedom may be the only one doing it. All that I am trying to say is to check it out. I think that it will give a whole new insight to this debate.

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You mean that gay people actually choose to be gay.

People is a more polite term for "gay" people, considering that we were all made equal. Just because homosexuals are attracted to the same sex does not necessarily mean that we choose to be gay. We don't choose anything other than the same-sex person we choose to be with. We choose to be happy with who we choose to have sex with or love, but we do not choose to be gay. It may say in the Bible that same-sex relations is sinful, but the Bible was also written by a bunch of Monks drunk on red wine and chicken legs. It has been edited too many times over the past years to be a credible source of information.

Here's an interesting story:

I am strait, but have some profoundly gay friends. Well, it wa the final night of the play, in which Euterpe was conspicuous by her absense, I might add, and everyone went out to the Palisades Mall for dinner at Fridays. Not exactly the Cafe Ritz, but I can choke up my undercooked fillet mignon in the bathroom afterward. Save some room for pre-packaged chocolate cake.

Whatever.

So anyway, my flagrantly gay friend called his clan of flagrantly gay friends, and it seemed one of them was in the mall. He came over. Whatever. He introduced me to this kid, and I was ever so refined and poline, and, seemingly, ever such a turnon. About twenty minutes later, Homosexual-whose-name-I-do-not-remember (we will refer to him as H1 in lue of a name. I think it was Bill or something) was but a memory, and I was ordering my fillet MEDIUM WELL when my gay friend leaned over and told me that HIS friend thought I "very pretty" (with which I quite agreed) and he wanted my number (which disturbed me greatly.) I had to say that at first I was quite delighted and amused. Though I never thought once about giving him my number, it was good to know I was loved.

Well, weeks pass, and I got over it, and continued with my dateless life, which, ever since my heart was taken by a jewish girl from two towns over, I had been living. Life was awesome. I am a bitter and mean-spirited golem with a spelling problem, and I love it. But one day, my gay friend brings in a friend. He is not H1, oh no, he is a different kind of friend, H6.

Now, H6 is the kind of person who makes you want to relch an undercooked piece of cow into said person's lap. I hope you are not on this site, H6, but your hair really skeeved me, and I DO NOT APPROVE. It was frosted and in a mohock. Mohocks cannot, in any sense of the word, be mixed with A&F. And he spoke in his conspicuously gay voice about conspicuously gay activities such as dressing in drag last weekend and making out with other men.

It was hard. Very hard, not to stand up and say "You DO understand that YOU are why fags can't get married, right? The stereotypage makes me want to vomit until I die from ulsers, and possibly take you with me to save the world from TWO plagues, an asshole and a pathetic little man with an estrogin problem." But I didn't, because, seemingly, I was the only one who felt bodily sick by his precense. They were talking like noremal people, not gagging, not cringing. They were having a conversation in fluent English about what guy is a slut-bag-whore-tease and who has repented. I was the only one. I have never been like that before around homosexual, and I was very skeeved by it.

That's my story.

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Ok, well, coming from a Catholic family, I always wonder why Martin Luther felt it appropriate to throw out some of the books of the bible, because there are more books in the Catholic bibles then there are in all other protestant bibles... But that's unrelated to this subject, but it does cause one to wonder...

He didn't throw out anything, they weren't put into the Catholic Canon until the Council of Trent 1545. I am not sure of the reason. They are not considered to be part of the old testament by Jewish people so why should christians try to change the old testament

It has been considered. And refuted. Now, restating Green, where is your argument?

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Originally posted by Greenleaf771:
Let's see a list of your reasons, then.

People decide to do things for different reasons.

Can anyone really know the human heart?

I just think that the possiblity that homosexuality is not pre determined should be considered.

Let's see a list of your reasons, then.

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Originally posted by Greenleaf771:
There are plenty of people in the GLBT community who have loving parents.

I didn't say that was the only reason people become gay

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I saw lesbian porn at a young age. I've thought about it a lot since then and I've seen a lot of girls making out on TV and movies. But I don't like it. I'm totally straight. Therefore, your argument is ass.

I didn't say that was the only reason people become gay, only that the so called chemical resoponses, are not completely random.

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
Thanks again!

You are extremely welcome.

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Is not fear a chemical reaction in the brain that can be devloped. For example if one thinks about a terrifing senario enough, won't one devlop a fear? (don't tell me that's not true, it actually happend to me)

Fear is instinctive. No one is born unafraid.

Fear and sex are two completely different things that dominate two completely different parts of the brain. How man times am I going to have to bring up Pheromones before you guys start to get it? Study human pyschology and/or sexuality.

I saw lesbian porn at a young age. I've thought about it a lot since then and I've seen a lot of girls making out on TV and movies. But I don't like it. I'm totally straight. Therefore, your argument is ass.

that's also obsessive-compulsive disorder.

and fear is not only chemical. it is embedded into our nervous system.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
Human sexuality is in no way shape or form chosen. It is impossible. Sexual attraction is a chemical reaction in the brain. There are scientific facts that back this up very well, but people like to conviently ignore it.

Is not fear a chemical reaction in the brain that can be devloped. For example if one thinks about a terrifing senario enough, won't one devlop a fear? (don't tell me that's not true, it actually happend to me)

Thanks again!

I've got another linkhere that may be some more help if anyone wants to check it out.