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Also, we have to remember that the Bible has been translated many times. Do you take a foreign language? If so, try to think of words that have no equivilant in English. I'm only in Spanish I, but I can think of simple words like "simpatico" and "antipatico," tha have no exact English equivelant. We have to twist the rules to find the word to translate them to in English.

That's one of the biggest arguments, and one that these avid haters can never defeat. Tanks for bringing it up again, Green.

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And even if the Bible did mean that, is it right to treat people so unfairly? What's it matter to you if they burn in Hell (even though they're not going to)? Live and Let Live is a brilliant saying, though one I am sometimes a hypocrite of. "Do unto others as he would have them do unto you."

There's a lot of hypocrisy in Christianity. "Live and Let live" might as well me my next YN name... And I would love to be more explanatory, but what about us being created in His image? I was brought up with that belief, and that God is perfect, as was His son. So how could God screw up just under 10% of the population? And if He really disapproved, why not just smite us all? I wish I had time to elaborate.

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New Revised Standard Edition

How new? But I think enough is said right in the title though - another rigid and homophbic denomination trying to make explicit what they think the original writers wanted to say in the Bible. "See? We WERE right!" Morons.

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I though HIV came from monkeys.

Are you joking here? I will take you literally for now, because I'm not good with net-sarcasm. Well, there are many "theories" but much proof has been leaked in the past few years that there was much research being done around that time on this kind of biological weapon that would make those infected far weaker to fight diseases. It was created by splicing the sheep visna virus and bovine leukemia with human tissue. Though exact dates are not available due to lack of documentation, WHO was responsible for administering a smallpox vaccine containing AIDS to Haiti, Brazil and Central American. Later this was covered up by two doctors who put out the CIA cover story about a green monkey biting a native and passing AIDS, though AIDS does not naturally occur in any animal. AIDS was also injected into the US in NY (about two years after WHO administered millions of smallpox vaccines with AIDS to several African countries) in a Hep B vaccine. This is where homosexuals are involved; because most homosexual men perform acts of anal intercourse, they are highly susceptible to Hepatitis B and lined up and then, due to some promiscuity in the homosexual communiy, spread it and are still blamed (despite not being the actual root of the problem). Another funny thing is, the government (along with makers of condoms) hid these facts from the public: latex condoms have holes about 3 microns wide. The AIDS virus, when not in a T-cell, is only 1 micron wide. Enough said, I hope.

By the way, the funny thing is that this is all supposedly related to the Bible and whatnot, when the research above was discovered and provided by a pastor.

Check this out. Another source site

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Also, we have to remember that the Bible has been translated many times. Do you take a foreign language? If so, try to think of words that have no equivilant in English. I'm only in Spanish I, but I can think of simple words like "simpatico" and "antipatico," tha have no exact English equivelant. We have to twist the rules to find the word to translate them to in English.

And even if the Bible did mean that, is it right to treat people so unfairly? What's it matter to you if they burn in Hell (even though they're not going to)? Live and Let Live is a brilliant saying, though one I am sometimes a hypocrite of. "Do unto others as he would have them do unto you."

And if homosexuality was a sin, wouldn't Jesus have done something about it when he was here on Earth? I can't recall a passage where Jesus specifically deals with homosexuals.

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I would love to hear what version you're using. Here's what the popular one says:

That's what mine says in the New Revised Standard Edition, Freedom, but maybe it's KJV that says that. I'm not sure.

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Actually HIV - which causes AIDS, which you obviously didn't know - was created by biological weapon researchers in the late 1960's.

I though HIV came from monkeys.

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Corinthians 6:9-10 (which btw is in the new testament) says "Do you not know that the micked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

I would love to hear what version you're using. Here's what the popular one says:

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1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

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Why did AIDS kill 3.1 million people? 'Cause right now Satan is in power over the world, inflicting pain on those that oppose him.

Actually HIV - which causes AIDS, which you obviously didn't know - was created by biological weapon researchers in the late 1960's. It had nothing to do with God, "babe".

well I haven't had time to read all the other various posts so I'll have to just try to asner the question. First, however, I need to say that the concept you arereferring to about new testament doctrine replacing old testamens doctrine is not completely true. If this were the case then there would no need for the old testament to even still be in existence. The idea you are referring to is of the new covenant brouht about by Jesus Christ but it is specific on its areas of influence and they do not include the entire old testament.
To answer the question speficially...your statement about "No where in the new testament does it state anything about gays." is simply not true. In I Corinthians 6:9-10 (which btw is in the new testament) says "Do you not know that the micked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." It doesn't get any clearer than that.
So in other words, it is not the religious that are living a lie but you who are telling the lies--some research on your part might go a long way to eliminate false accusations.

I have seen the light! All disease is just God's little way rubbing our imperfection in our collective face! Rejoice, and know that you are unloved!

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Well I don't think just because God doesn't strike someone dead because they broke a law means that the law is not still in tact. God will hold us all accountable to our ways in the end.

So, if god is going to hold us all accountable to our ways, we're all going to hell because we are all sinners. Sounds like a bright future...

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Also, I don't find it any coinsidence that the result for many homosexual people is Aids which is a certain death.

I heard that one man survived AIDS, he had it and then he got rid of it somehow... my physics teacher, Mr. Miller, was telling me about it... But anywho, that is so callous of you to say about homosexuals and AIDS. It's a real disease that a lot of heterosexual people get too (sometimes not of their own fault!), perhaps we should focus our energies on trying to find a cure, rather then using all our energies on trying to convert people or trying to tell people that they are sinning and they got AIDS because of their sin. That's just low. If someone had cancer, would you go up to them and tell them its their own fault, and make them feel bad...

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he gives every person in the world an opprotunity to accept and follow Christ to be saved.

But, if this god exists and if this god controls people (and sends people in our lives and whatnot), then its a wonder that god sent people like you (among others) to come and turn people off from christianity. People don't like to be told that they are going to hell, like it or not, fundamentalism is starting to die out in our generation...

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God is all loving, He shows that especially in Revalation where Satan is chained (much like The Chaining of Melkor, don't you think?) instead of being killed.

So, I can assume (being that we are supposed to act like god) that you are against the death penalty then? Because god didn't kill, he locked up.

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I suggest seeing RENT in theatres.

Yessss... Just saw it for the second time tonight!

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This means that God doesn't want us to be apart from him ever. He offered his son so that we could have a way to God and not bring on ourself condemnation. So he doesn't play favorites, he gives every person in the world an opprotunity to accept and follow Christ to be saved. Pretty cool i think, but let me know what that means for you.

Well, gays and strights may accept Jesus Christ and be saved. Who cares about their sexual orientation, especially since God doesn't care in the first place, seeing as God isn't discriminitory and doesn't play favorites.

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What do you think AIDS is sweetheart?

God is all loving, He shows that especially in Revalation where Satan is chained (much like The Chaining of Melkor, don't you think?) instead of being killed. But God has set certain limits to protect His people, and those that do not stay within those limits will be punished.

I know perfectly well what AIDS is, and it by no means affects only homosexuals. Really, if you're interested, I suggest seeing RENT in theatres.

I haven't read Revelations, but I'll take your word for it. However much I love Tolkien and accept his use of hidden Biblical hints in his work, quoting it shall not sway me.

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Why did AIDS kill 3.1 million people? 'Cause right now Satan is in power over the world, inflicting pain on those that oppose him.

So they are opposing Satan? That's a wonderful thing, isn't it? The Christian homosexuals are staying true to their God whom they love. I see no reason for why Satan is killing the homosexuals if they are supposedly sinning. Especially since they aren't. AIDS is a horrible, natural disease; not something that God is punishing gays (and straights, mind) with.

And, why are Christian based organizations raising money to give to AIDS if God is the one punishing the people? Red Cross, Habitat for Humanity, etc. . .

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What do you think AIDS is sweetheart?

I can't remember who said this, but they said 90% of all AIDS infections worldwide were passed on through heterosexual contact.

Ah yes...

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Worldwide, more than 90 percent of all adolescent and adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/womenhiv.htm

Don't be ignorant.

Why did AIDS kill 3.1 million people? 'Cause right now Satan is in power over the world, inflicting pain on those that oppose him.

Why does it boggle you? You probably have trouble with accountability. Not a personal slam, of course.

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What do you think AIDS is sweetheart?

God is all loving, eh? Well, then why did AIDS kill 3.1 million people in 2005, most of them straight? AIDS is no longer a "gay" disease. It boggles the mind to see someone who first calls God a compassionate being and then goes on to say that AIDS is a way to punish the evil homosexuals, when relatively few homosexuals die from it these days.

Source: Avert.org

WorthWaitingFor- You can't define your Bibilical words from a dictionary, you need to look at the original greek context of the passage in Rom 1 24-27.

It is also important to note the context of the verse. before saying that men committed shameful acts against one another (which u say means rape) Look at what the verse preceeding it calls a natural relationship- intercourse with women, that is what was exchanged. Therefore the unnatural action would be sex with a man- not meaning rape. THe original word in the text is clearly discussing homosexual behavior.-take a look at any concordance out there.

Also if you think that God doesn't punish homosexuality or at the very least consider it wrong- Check out IN GENESIS ch. 19 what he did at Sodom and Gamorah(sp.) as a result of their homosexuality - as seen by what they tried to do to who they thougt were just male visitors to lot. Not pretty.

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For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their weomen exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was do.

That was Romans 1:26-27. They went homo, they got deseise.

I'm not even going to use the ones in Genesis because too many people would scream "Old Testament! Old Testament!"

aah welll. You get the point.

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Today's homosexuals are not being punished by God for their actions, now are they?

What do you think AIDS is sweetheart?

God is all loving, He shows that especially in Revalation where Satan is chained (much like The Chaining of Melkor, don't you think?) instead of being killed. But God has set certain limits to protect His people, and those that do not stay within those limits will be punished.

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Worth, just to see if we're on the same page, are you thinking of the one in Genesis?

Oops...no. Wow, I don't even know that one...hmmm...

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For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

"Men committing shameless acts with men..." Could totally mean men raping men. Totally. Because, homosexuality is completely natural - it's found in most species of animals, not just humans.

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well if you are ignorant enough to take the verse for face value and take words by what they sound like then you are not even worth taking the time to disprove because you obviously don't care to know the truth by putting a little work into finding the meaning of the word that it was translated from.

I'm the ignorant one? Right...

Let's take this back to the KJV, shall we?

Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor dulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind."

I don't see anything at all about homosexuality. The closest thing to it is "effeminate" which means unmanly, according to Webster's. There are many heterosexuals that could be considered "unmanly."

1 Timothy 1-10: "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is ccontrary to sound doctrine;"

Wow...absolutely nothing like the verse you presented and it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.

Throw some more verses at me. Go for it.

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Today's homosexuals are not being punished by God for their actions, now are they? How do you know that they'll have eternal damnation? They won't, simply because God is all loving. God loves all of us equally

Well I don't think just because God doesn't strike someone dead because they broke a law means that the law is not still in tact. God will hold us all accountable to our ways in the end. Also, I don't find it any coinsidence that the result for many homosexual people is Aids which is a certain death. Similar to my previous post though, the consequences of a heterosexual person engaging in premarital sex quite frequently leads to STI's(often causing severe illness or death). So there is still a consequence for the action in either case.

I also agree that God is a God who loves all equally-no exceptions, but that is why he sent his son Jesus to die for us that if we follow him we will be freed from our sin and have life(now and eternally in heaven). Romans 6:23 states, "for the wages of sin is death...." meaning that the consequences of our evil acts (no matter what ones or how many) will result in separation from God forever. So Paul says there in Romans that people who sin (which is every sinlge person on earth, absolutely including myself) deserve hell. But Paul doesn't stop there. The verse continues with, "but the free gift of God is eternal life." This means that God doesn't want us to be apart from him ever. He offered his son so that we could have a way to God and not bring on ourself condemnation. So he doesn't play favorites, he gives every person in the world an opprotunity to accept and follow Christ to be saved. Pretty cool i think, but let me know what that means for you.

HeretoHear (I'll leave babar and nick to duke it out), besides those passages from the Bible, what else makes you think homosexuality is wrong? If it didn't "say" so in the Bible, would you care?

Today's homosexuals are not being punished by God for their actions, now are they? How do you know that they'll have eternal damnation? They won't, simply because God is all loving. God loves all of us equally, even those that you believe are sinning. He doesn't play favorites.

Yes, I wrote this from a moderate Christian viewpoint.

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and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And just what does that mean? In my opinion, food is good. Women cooked food, cleaned the house, made babies, you know? So how does that define homosexuality? And "Heretohear" is a stupid name for people that refuse to listen.