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Picture of LoudSpeaker
Registered: February 01, 2007
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I think this is a big problem in the united states. they try to take god out the pledge and everything. yea this is a big problem to me.
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they are trying to take god out of everthing because they want to establish more power in my opion


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Joachim, please stop typing in all capital letters.


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Then all you would have is cold heartless bastards who care only for order and not for people.

I beleive that the order that the state wishes for is based on the interest in its citizens; or at least it claims to be. So actually, this is more likely to give the government at smooth run at attempting to fulfill this purpose of keeping sufficient order.

And I am just going to ignore that saint business...


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I THINK IN STEAD OF MAKING A BIG DEAL THE SAINTS SHOULD JUST GO UP IN PRAYER IF THEY WANT IT TO STAY LIKE THAT.PEOPLE JUST NEED TO BACK OFF OF IT AND JUST PRAY CUZ IF U BELIVE IN GOD U WOULD KNOW THAT PRAYER CHANGES THINGS IN LIFE AND IT CAN CHANGE PEOPLE WANTING TO TAKE GOD OUT THEY WONT BE ABLE TO IF THE SAINTS WOULD PRAY
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But God has no place in government. Warped Theocracy has shown us this. It can only lead to disaster. But neither can spirituality be taken out of the government. Then all you would have is cold heartless bastards who care only for order and not for people.


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because God or a diety symbolizes supernatural power that is able to twist and control and correct man's life and events.


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Originally posted by Kharybdis:
Why do people try to put god in everything? Oh ho ho the tables have turned.

this is exactly what i would say. What does the diety have to do with anything?


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I like the Flying Spaghetti Monster example clpo used.

Not so appealing NOW, is it?!


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I don't understand why it offends so many Christians that God could be taken out of the pledge, money, court etc.. What is the problem? Just because you don't say, "Under God", in the pledge doesn't mean you've fallen from grace! So why care? If "Under God" was never in the pledge, would be an issue to put it there?

Although, I feel someone should be allowed to practice their faith where ever they maybe be.


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My IQ dropped several points, thus rendering me unable to say anything intelligent.


God wasn't originally in the pledge, actually.


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Why do people try to put god in everything? Oh ho ho the tables have turned.


Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. Frederick Douglass
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Dalifan, you forgot to add your input after quoting Clpo. Welcome to YN by the way.


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Originally posted by clpo13:
Because not everyone believes in God. You would do the same thing if someone tried to put references to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in everything. You don't believe in the FSM, therefore you wouldn't like having money that says "In the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodly appendages we trust" in big letters, would you?


I don't think God should be takin out but I do see your point.

Not only that, but removing two words from the pledge and four from money would have no real adverse affect. The country will not fall into ruin because the dollar doesn't mention God. Why? Because this is not a nation based on religion. It never was. Things like "In God we trust" don't really matter; they're merely cosmetic. In fact, early US money didn't have God anywhere on it. And the pledge was originally written without "under God" anywhere in it. It was only at the height of the Cold War that "under God" was inserted into the pledge in order to differentiate America from the "evil" atheistic Communists.

So, if our country managed with few references to God when it was younger, why would it be a problem to remove them now? The United States is not a theocracy. The state is separate from religion, so the state should really make no reference to religion in any sense other than historical. And as I've already pointed out, the references in the pledge and on our currency are not historical.
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Because not everyone believes in God. You would do the same thing if someone tried to put references to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in everything. You don't believe in the FSM, therefore you wouldn't like having money that says "In the Flying Spaghetti Monster and his noodly appendages we trust" in big letters, would you?

Not only that, but removing two words from the pledge and four from money would have no real adverse affect. The country will not fall into ruin because the dollar doesn't mention God. Why? Because this is not a nation based on religion. It never was. Things like "In God we trust" don't really matter; they're merely cosmetic. In fact, early US money didn't have God anywhere on it. And the pledge was originally written without "under God" anywhere in it. It was only at the height of the Cold War that "under God" was inserted into the pledge in order to differentiate America from the "evil" atheistic Communists.

So, if our country managed with few references to God when it was younger, why would it be a problem to remove them now? The United States is not a theocracy. The state is separate from religion, so the state should really make no reference to religion in any sense other than historical. And as I've already pointed out, the references in the pledge and on our currency are not historical.


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Some people want to pledge to the US, and not to God. Believe it or not, there are atheists out there. I know, I know.. It's shocking. But in time it will be alright.


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They do this because religion and state should be separated.


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