yeah like that little thing with the Ark and that Noah dude.

Ever think gods plan was for you to drown and your friend stopped it? You know god is no stranger to drowning people.

hey were all unique and created in a random flux of genes we will come once and never again I thinkg that makes us pretty speacil indeed.

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Originally posted by bauhaus:
And what makes you more special than 2359073189571345 other people in the world.

I never said it makes me more special than anybody else but if he didn't want me to die than I wouldn't be alive.

if your stupid...read a book!

Someone? I prefer the term "something". The Creator isn't a person.

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thought our parents had something to do with it.

I think there is a force that created us, but I don't name it, because I think we're all wrong about who it is. However, I also believe we are our own Gods.

um... yeah, our parents have something to do with it... that's obvious.. but I guess there is someone out there greater who made us and the universe and all things.


hey Celtic... congratulations for making it to the advisory council!! I read it.

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Also.... another evidence is: YOU AND ME. We are products that God is real.

I thought our parents had something to do with it.

I think there is a force that created us, but I don't name it, because I think we're all wrong about who it is. However, I also believe we are our own Gods.

You know that God is real simply by looking all around you. Where do WE come from? Don't tell me humans have powers before and then they just made the universe and the earth? Simple... There is someone out there, invisible but powerful who made us all.

Also.... another evidence is: YOU AND ME. We are products that God is real.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
there is scientific evidence of a creator here it is

before everything existed it stands to reason that everything in it's preexistance state was at rest and objects at rest remain at rest correct? So it stands to reason a force called by St. Thomas Aquinas "the unmoving mover" set off the chain reaction that created the universe we call this force God. for when an object is at rest in this case the matter that now makes up the universe it tends to remain at rest unless acted upon by an exterior force" but since all was at rest something had to start off the creation of the universe The Unmoving Mover or as we call it now God.

I like that "unmoving mover" description.

I'm kind of with Celtic here, we controll our reality more than we know. We are all our own all powerful beings to interact with what probability creates. (Not in a ego maniac schitzophrenic way, for clarification). And what is true for me, is not true for you.

Yet I also sometimes think that things are connected interchangably in one mass of infinity...

I know that I reject religion, a diety, or any exterior force that exists any further than within ourselves. And in "ourselves" I'm not necesarrily referring to the classic soul. As far as I know, the soul may be no more glamourous than a psychological manifestation of one's identity.

How do I know that God is real? I don't. I know nothing for sure and it's a vulnerable position to admit. But I have rules I apply and facts that work today and opinions.

I think that the traditional God is the best pulled off mythical trick in the history of the universe as I am aware of it. So damn clever, I'm almost jealous.

But I respect people's personal faiths as long as they remain a personal practice.

prayer is the belief of humans that 1: God listens 2: God can hear

"How do I know I am God? Well, I was praying one night and realized I was talking to myself."

there is scientific evidence of a creator here it is

before everything existed it stands to reason that everything in it's preexistance state was at rest and objects at rest remain at rest correct? So it stands to reason a force called by St. Thomas Aquinas "the unmoving mover" set off the chain reaction that created the universe we call this force God. for when an object is at rest in this case the matter that now makes up the universe it tends to remain at rest unless acted upon by an exterior force" but since all was at rest something had to start off the creation of the universe The Unmoving Mover or as we call it now God.

Faith

Faith is defined as:
"Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

So really, no one actually knows if God exsists or not. It's all a blind belief in a greater good.

A friend asked me once why they should believe in God, because what if in the end, He doesnt exsist? Heres what I told her:

"Ok, fine, say God doesn't exsist. How is it going to hurt you living your life following guidelines that are only going to make you a better person? Yea, you may not be able to go out and do whatever you want, but at least at the end of your life, you will die knowing that you lived your life in a positive way, and that you will have had an effect on others."

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Originally posted by honey13:
I thanked that person and I thanked God.I know that if God wasn't there I wouldn't exist right now.That person saved my life but if God wouldn't have wanted me to be alive than I wouldn't be.

if your stupid...read a book!

And what makes you more special than 2359073189571345 other people in the world.

I thanked that person and I thanked God.I know that if God wasn't there I wouldn't exist right now.That person saved my life but if God wouldn't have wanted me to be alive than I wouldn't be.

if your stupid...read a book!

Well I know if I was drowning someone would pull me out of the water, but I don't chalk that up to God. I chalk that up to human morals and integrity.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
How do you know? People have morals you know. Aside from some Divine Being. I'm fairly sure that you'd have been pulled from the water regardless of the presence of the kind of God you speak of.

Also, I'm slightly confused. Aren't you the one who "lectured" me on cutting? Well, if you believe that God really cares about you, then why do you cut?

I know b/c I have faith.I know God cares about me.I cut b/c it can take away the pain.God can do misterious things but it also has to be their decision too and I'm not ready to stop yet.

if your stupid... read a book!

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I'm so grateful for God being there b/c if he/she wasn't there than that person wouldn't have saved my life.

How do you know? People have morals you know. Aside from some Divine Being. I'm fairly sure that you'd have been pulled from the water regardless of the presence of the kind of God you speak of.

Also, I'm slightly confused. Aren't you the one who "lectured" me on cutting? Well, if you believe that God really cares about you, then why do you cut?

You can't prove he's real like talk to him in person but think about it how many things have happened to you that you are grateful for?I've had many near death experences one wasn't too long ago I almost drown I blacked out and then someone pulled me out of the water I mean I couldn't breath of course I .I'm so grateful for God being there b/c if he/she wasn't there than that person wouldn't have saved my life.

if your stupid...read a book!

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As a child I had faith in Santa. He kept me from doing bad things, if I did bad I'd be punished for it, if I did good I'd be rewarded. All the stories about him, made him seem very real also. As I got older, and lost my innocence and passed into my life now, I realized a lot of things were told to me to keep me inline, even though they didnt exist. How can I believe in God now when I've been decived by adults in the passed?

ooooooo....good point! You know, I like how you think bauhaus...