Originally posted by speed: if god "told" the pope 1500 years ago the earth was flat, how come we now know that it isn't so? was god wrong?
no the stupid pope was wrong
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Originally posted by speed: It's also funny how 300 years ago god "told" missionaries that people of colour were inferior to white people, and now it turns out that they're not, did god "learn" he was wrong? did SCIENCE teach him so?
once again, the missionaries were stupid and threw their own interpretations and views on what God "told" them.
if god "told" the pope 1500 years ago the earth was flat, how come we now know that it isn't so? was god wrong?(being all powerfull and all-knowing? did god "learn"?) cmo'n faith is just an escape from you're insecurity. i don't need to believe in anything bigger than me to feel safe and protected, i don't need to pray and hope god will help me, thats bullsh*t! human beings are scared of what they don't know, and god is just a way of explaining everything we don't understand. It's also funny how 300 years ago god "told" missionaries that people of colour were inferior to white people, and now it turns out that they're not, did god "learn" he was wrong? did SCIENCE teach him so? answer me coherently please...
I honestly don't know what I believe anymore. I think that there might be "something"(not god, something) but who knows...**** it. it makes no difference to me. Everything is ****ed up anyway.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
That's an overused and inaccurate analogy. You can feel, taste, and smell the wind. However, you can't apply any of the senses to a higher being. I don't have faith that the wind is there. I know it's there. With any form of a higher being...you'll have to give me just a little bit more to go on.
actually you caant taste or smell the wind, only what it carries
Originally posted by speed: wow cool god exists and science is a fluke... oh wait I guess I'll go dump my computer in the garbage, and after that I'll throw out my TV and my top of the line DVD, and then I think I'll defrost my fridge and put all my things in a box, oh no wait, they probably make those in factorys using scientifically developed techniques, well on the floor. Once all of that is done I'll make a fire, with a couple of sticks and eat my chiken that's been sitting on the floor... oh sh*t I have a stomach infection, but wait, no medicine! it's a fluke just like everything that made it... I guess I'll vomit some blood and hope god saves me! hooray!
ok so now that youre done making us all laugh, you should know that there is no reason that science and God cant and dont coexist, because they do.
well, exactly what kind of proof do you need that God is real? there is never going to be some blatant, vociferous act (e.g. God coming from heaven and stomping on houses) to increase your faith in God, but there is plenty of scientific evidence that lines up with Christian beliefs and the Bible, you just have to uncover it for yourself.
wow cool god exists and science is a fluke... oh wait I guess I'll go dump my computer in the garbage, and after that I'll throw out my TV and my top of the line DVD, and then I think I'll defrost my fridge and put all my things in a box, oh no wait, they probably make those in factorys using scientifically developed techniques, well on the floor. Once all of that is done I'll make a fire, with a couple of sticks and eat my chiken that's been sitting on the floor... oh sh*t I have a stomach infection, but wait, no medicine! it's a fluke just like everything that made it... I guess I'll vomit some blood and hope god saves me! hooray!
5. Disrupting the flow of bulletin board areas with vulgar language, abusivenss, repeatedly submitting the same content, explicitly sexual content, off-topic content or other conduct that may disrupt normal activities. It's not shocking, it's boring.
What the hell do you mean, ''if you read the bible'' The bible itself is full of contradictions, and if YOU wake up, YOU'LL see that ''god'' is just a story made up by prehistoric people unaware of the orgins of life!! Before you try to condem me to hell, ''perfect little ''christian'' girl'', you should do your research. If you do deep enough digging, you'll see that each set of people made thier on little idea of how the earth and life was created. There all different, but there all alike- some god came along and did this, ect. Why don't you read this?--
1. Genesis Genesis is the first "Book of Moses" and is part of the Jewish scriptures, later included in the Christian Bible.
"Genesis contains two stories which describe the creation of the world, the rest of the universe, and all of the forms of life, including humans. The first story is found in Genesis 1:1 to 2:3; the second in Genesis 2.4 to 2:25. Elements of an alternative, ancient eastern Mediterranean belief about the creation of the world is found in two passages of Psalms." Stories from the Hebrew Scriptures
Here we are looking at the first creation story, which is separated into days. The second recounting in Genesis contradicts the first on a few chronological details, but we are not looking at that nor at the older Mediterranean links. The following is therefore the most traditional 7 day creation account, the text which opens both the Jewish Torah and the Christian Bible.
"The authors of Genesis seem have picked up part of their story from Hindu legends of the creation and early history of humanity. Stories of Hindu heroes Adimo, Heva, Sherma, Hama and Jiapheta apparently were replicated into legends about Adam, Eve, [...]" Ontario Consultants for Religious Tolerance
The text was written from between the 10th and 6th century BCE, but some scholars believe it wasn't completely written until as late as 2 centuries BCE1.
Creationists are fundamentalist Christians who believe that the evidence is wrong, and that the Universe was created according to a literal interpretation of Genesis' 7 day creation account. The Liberal Interpretation is normally that the story is a metaphor designed to explain that God is all powerful. The secular belief is that the Genesis account is purely a result of myth and prescientific attempts to understand the Universe. The secular belief is the most sensible one, and, luckily for Christianity, modern Christians are generally accepting of the idea that Genesis is scientifically flawed and written by Human beings, not dictated by God.
2. Chronological mistakes
Evolution and the Myths of Creationism OK, whether we take the story literally or metaphorically, whether we accept that the "seven days" are actual periods of 24 hrs, or that they represent much longer periods of time (billions of years), there are problems with the order in which the Genesis account says things were created in.
"it violently contradicts what the astronomers, geologists, and evolutionists tell us about the order of appearance of things on Earth and the time at which they appeared. [...] The table below highlights some of the more important astronomical and paleontological events pertinent to our current study." Event Years ago Big Bang 15,000 million Birth of the Sun, the Earth, and the Moon 4600 million Emergence of Life (Pre-cellular Life) 3800 million Inorganic Release of Trace Amount of Oxygen 3700 million Origin of Photo-synthetic Bacteria 3200 million Advent of Oxygen-rich Atmosphere 2000 million Development of Sexual Reproduction 1100 million Spread of Jawless Fishes 505 million First Amphibians 408 million First Reptiles 360 million First Dinosaurs and Mammal-like Reptiles; Origin of Mammals 248 million First Birds 213 million Australopithecus 4 million Homo Habilis 2.2 million Homo Erectus 1.5 million Homo Sapiens 200 thousand Modern Humans 35 thousand
"On the other hand, if we now construct a table on the Creation of the Universe and of life on Earth, based on Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 and the Liberal Interpretation thereof, then it would display the following results:"
Creation of Day and Night "Day" 1 Creation of Heaven "Day" 2 Creation of the Earth, the Seas, and the Plants "Day" 3 Creation of the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars "Day" 4 Creation of Fishes and Birds [Beginning of Sexual Reproduction] "Day" 5 Creation of land animals (Cattle, Insects, Reptiles, Man) "Day" 6 No Further Emergence of Life Forms on Earth "Day" 7
"Is a Liberal Interpretation of the Creation Story Compatible with Science?" by Eugene Y. C. Ho.
Several illogical and impossible contradictions occur when trying to fit Genesis' separation of creation into 7 periods. In particular I will examine the problems arising from the time at which the Sun was created.
3. The creation of the Sun According to the writers of Genesis, God created the Sun half way through the creation week. They also explain what God done during the first "days". But without a sun, there were no actual days. Without a sun to rotate around there were no "mornings" or changes in the time of day. Likewise, without natural sunlight, plants could not have grown and survived. Plants were created, however, before the Sun. If the length of time is billions of years per day, then it is very much impossible that plants could survive before the Sun was created.
"The Genesis writer(s) didn't understand the nature of darkness either. He said that God created light (somehow before the sun and stars were made) and then "divided the light from the darkness" (1:3-4). Light, however, is not something that can be separated from darkness. Light is an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or stars, and darkness is merely the absence of light. Without light, there will automatically be darkness. No god is needed to separate or divide light from darkness. We know that today; the prescientific Genesis writer(s) didn't."
We know, and would assume, that the writer(s) of Genesis clearly did not know that the Earth revolves around the sun, that days and nights are effects of the Earth's spin, that light is electromagnetic radiation, and that darkness is the absence of light. Whoever wrote the text of Genesis were clearly fallible, pre-scientific Human beings. If God had inspired these texts, although it could not have inspired a technical liturgy because the words did not yet exist, it surely would have dictated or inspired text that wasn't out and out erroneous.
4. Day of rest The seventh day is a sign of the mythical assumptions of those who wrote the genesis account. God is omnipotent and omniscient. Yet, it took the seventh day resting? And working out if its creation was good? It is not true that an omnipotent (all-powerful) being ever needs to rest. It is also untrue that an omniscient (all-knowing) being ever needs to wonder, ponder or think: It simply knows, and instantly. So, we immediately arrive at the conclusion that the seventh day is allegorical, symbolic and mythical: The reasons stated in the Genesis account are not direct recordings of real events, but stories and reworking of older Hindu myths.
The Holy Day A common defence of the Genesis account of the seventh day is that the reason for the strange "resting" is that God wanted the seventh day to be holy; therefore it rested on it to make it a day of rest. However. God is the absolute truth, and it would not be necessary for God to rest in order to make the seventh day holy. To make the seventh day holy it could have had Moses inspired to preach "Take one day in 7, the Saturday, to rest" rather than using a non-logical seventh day of rest in Genesis. As a omniscient being it cannot be illogical, and therefore the Genesis 7 day creation must be false, or at least, non-literal.
A long seventh day Some say that the first 6 days are metaphors for the first 15 billion years of the Universe's history and that the seventh day, where God is resting, is the present era. This would then account for why God is so silent and absent from world affairs - because it is resting. Resting would then be a polite word for 'hiding' or 'concealing' itself. The reasons for this concealment, in my mind, is that God does not exist, and the myth is designed to explain why God isn't around during this long final day of creation, because it is 'resting'.
5. Conclusions The seven day creation is not literal, there are illogical and unscientific errors that would not have been apparent to the authors but which are highlighted on this page and by science. The shape of the Earth is not flat. The Sun does not revolve around the Earth. The creation of light and the sun happened independent of each other, and there were 'days' before the sun was created for the Earth to rotate around. The order in which animals, plants and other elements of life appear in Genesis contradict the order that appears in the fossil record and the order of creation of the stars, the sun, etc, also contradict what we know scientifically. The logic is flawed behind the 'day of rest', an all-powerful God does not need rest. In short, the separation of creation into a seven day period is a useless and outdated creation story riddled with errors.
Genesis is written by fallible Human beings, not God, and is proven to be a false record of creation. It also shows many symptoms of being a piecemeal, fragmented myth that has been edited and rewritten over time so that it hardly even makes internal sense. It contains no moral teachings and nothing educational. It is an irredeemable anachronism that we ever teach our children it's pointless myths and retain it as part of Christianity. It should be purged.
I'm not scared of yo' lil' ''judgement day'', caz tha' ain't comin'! That is nothin' but an ancient lie, and if yo' really believes in yo' ''god'', then you are ''going to hell'' for condemming someone else to ''go to hell''. You must not read that bible well.. Oh, yeah. Heaven and hell dosen't exist, therefore, I'm not scared of yo' little IGNORANT comment. Hava' nice day!!
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If u ever read the bible and just think about it then u know he is up there watchin u it is even n history books bout the crucifixtion of jesus its everywhere..& if ur an athiest...ur screwed when u die & go 2 judgement day & he says these exact words "depart from me i never knew you" & u get cast n2 the burnin lake of fire.......just think he luves u and he will bless u if u ask him 2 *** n2 ur heart & wash away ur sins
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