I heard a quote from a friend who is a devoted wiccan that I found extremely truthful.
All gods are one god.You have to think about it for a second but when it comes down to it that is true. I mean of course there are still going to be close-minded fools out there that can only believe in what they were taught but the few of us that are strong enough to do our own thing should wander off the path and explore roads not yet taken.Who knows one day there might be an equal decision made among all people about this theory of mind.


*Don't do because the monkey did*

Some people who call themselves Christians are not, so I am told.[imagine that]

Very few Christians follow the New Testament (or Old, for that matter) to the letter. Which is just as well, because this isn't 20 AD.

Some christians don't follow the laws of the New Testament either.

yes, christians use the old testament, for the history, but we are not bound to the laws and rules in the old test. only the new test.

I thought it did, but then again, I haven't been to church in three years. I had to memorize the books of the Old and New Testaments, if that counts for anything.

I'd like to get this cleared up once and for all, because I'm beyond confused: doesn't Christianity use the Old Testament too?

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Oh, wait, Deuteronomy doesn't hold to Christians anymore! How silly of me to forget...

christianity is new testament....i said "not christianity" to your statment that you get to kill unbelievers if they wont leave you alone. so if you find it in the new testament let me know

You wish. Try these verses on for size. They sound suprisingly like fundamentalist Islam...

"This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee." Deuteronomy 2:25

(Followers of God will terrorize other nations/faiths.)

"Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth." Deuteronomy 6:14-15

(Kill people of other faiths.)

"When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise." Deuteronomy 12:29-30

(Don't follow or learn about other religions.)

"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die." Deuteronomy 17:2-5

(Kill people who convert to other religions.)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." Deuteronomy 13:6-10

(Kill people who try to convert you to another religion.)

The whole book of Deuteronomy is filled with such acts of intolerance, preached by the very same loving and kind God that allegedly produced Jesus. A nice bit of history for your religion, don't you agree, Chrissy?

Oh, wait, Deuteronomy doesn't hold to Christians anymore! How silly of me to forget...

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unbelievers don't leave you alone, you get to kill them, but any religion would say that.

not Christianity....

The Qu'ran has a lot to say about disbelievers going to Hell (pretty straight-forward stuff, and just about every chapter), but I can't find anything that actually says "go kill people". However, there is one place where it says that if unbelievers don't leave you alone, you get to kill them, but any religion would say that.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
Moron.

Lol. But who knows, maybe some people discriminate against Hispanics because many of them are Catholic.

Anyway, now that I've said that, I feel I should probably contribute something to this thread. Um...

Okay, how about this: If you know that your argument is going to eventually come back to your faith, don't start it in the first place. Debates, by nature, use logic and reason; faith is light-years away from either of those.

Oh, and clpo, the Koran is actually chalk-full of passages encouraging killing in the name of spreading Islam and killing "the infidels." Of course, as I've been lectured on a million times, that's allegedly "a moot point" because you're not supposed to take these things literally, but unfortunately, plenty of people do.

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the title has to do with racial discrimination against different religions than your own.

Moron.

Just to settle part of the argument ...the title has to do with racial discrimination against different religions than your own.
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no but you keep asking me for answers that i cant answer with anything but faith.....that isa lot of what religion is based on, it is hard to argue it without it coming up.

Your faith applies to you and you alone. You can't hold others accountable for not having that faith.

faith....how many times must i type that....i cant give you anymore than that.....you believe in it or you dont....i cant tell you why it is right or worng, i can only give my opinion.

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So now I've forsaken all organized religion for my own brand of beliefs. Not only am I happy with my beliefs, but I'm also more objective in religious arguments. Pretty much a win-win situation, even if there is no paradise involved.

okay then, i know where you stand and you know where i stand....not a whole lot we can do to change that.

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i feel christianity is right because Jesus fufilled prophecy that was outlined in the Old testament.....

That doesn't neccessarily make it right, though. Theoretically, I could write a book outlining the coming of the Prophet of Bob the Handpuppet, and then a few years later, announce myself to be the Prophet of Bob the Handpuppet and my religion would be right because I fulfilled the prophecy in the book I wrote.

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The coming of Muhammad was not foretold.

Duh. Before the Prophet, there wasn't anyone to foretell his "coming". Besides Muhammad, as opposed to what most Christians say about Jesus, wasn't semi-divine. He was merely a human. Yes, a human who had some weird vision telling him to proclaim, but a human nonetheless.

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The Bible (new testament) says you have to confess that Jesus is Lord to go to heaven....

The Bible says this, the Bible says that. You're setting a double standard by using the Bible as evidence of itself. Just because one book says that you must confess Jesus to be Lord doesn't make it true. Sure, it may be, but not because the Bible says so. That is the weakest theological argument other than "Because I said so!"

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if i may what religion were you clpo...and what do you mean you stopped because everything was to black and white?

Up until a few months ago, I was a Lutheran. But I got fed up with how nobody ever saw the grey in current issues. It was always "It's good because the Bible says so," or "It's bad because the Bible says so." No room for argument. No acceptance of other lifestyles (homosexuality, bisexuality, etc.) or other religions, for the most part. Everything was held to the Christian standard, hence the "black or white" absolute morality that I dislike.

So I was kind of frustrated by the whole thing, yet I still had my faith, right? Sure, until I took a comparative religions class in high school, where I found out that Christianity wasn't created by God, but instead by the "Christian" Roman Emperor Constantine and his cronies at the Council of Nicea almost three centuries after Jesus died. They put the Bible together out of a pool of hundreds of gospels (including a few that held Jesus in a more human, as opposed to semi-divine, light), they created Christian religious icons out of "pagan" symbols (the halo from the Egyptian sun-disks, the image of God from the Greek Zeus, etc.), and a lot of other things that suddenly made my religion seem...fake.

So now I've forsaken all organized religion for my own brand of beliefs. Not only am I happy with my beliefs, but I'm also more objective in religious arguments. Pretty much a win-win situation, even if there is no paradise involved.

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Chrissy, just because someone doesn't believe in God doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to Heaven. Idiot.

someone asked me questions about Chritanity and its beliefs, in Christianity if you dont believe in and confess that Jesus is lord you dont go to heaven.....

and besides if you didnt believe in God why would you believe in heaven?

Chrissy, just because someone doesn't believe in God doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to Heaven. Idiot.