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Registered: August 14, 2004
Posts: 3132
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Holiday tree, you know I grew up in a town where every other month there was some sort of religious tension between Jews and Catholics, Catholics and Fundamentalists, fundamentalists and Jews etc… We had a Christmas tree on the lawn of the high school, but no menorah, so the Jews got mad, so they got one. Then the Fundamentalists went and put a brick in front of the high school that said “Jesus is lord of this school” and the Jews got mad, and it was removed. So then the Fundamentalists go ahead and put up a big sign on the outskirts of the village that said “Welcome to (town) where Jesus is not welcome”. Where am I going with this you ask? Well in a society that demands political correctness I cant blame anyone for calling it a “holiday tree” because you know, it’s not the Jews, or the Muslims, or any other religion besides the Fundamentalist Christians that have the problem. And we have never heard so much about crap like this as we have in the last 8 years. Is it wrong for religion to demand equal representation? If there is a separation between church and state why would you accept one religion but not the others? So this pre-emptive holiday tree is awesome, it’s proving a point, and that point is that you cant make everyone happy, the sooner everyone gets that through their head the better off as a people we are going to be.
"So others may die" - USAF Intel Targeteer Motto (607th AIS)
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13959
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well the guy who did this just pissed a teacher off and made a couple chicks go "tuh" and go back to talking about reality TV
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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I did that at a high school and freaked a bunch of girls out.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13959
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thanks Jenos I'm actually doing a pretty good job this year (last year I had a bunch of idiots in my class that would not shut up no matter what Frau Murray said one idiot even made a flamethrower (axe deoderant+lighter=flame)
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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If you need help, you are welcome to ask me anything.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13959
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I'm learning German (slowly)
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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I am also fluent in German. Kiss my ass.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13959
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you guys both need a life you are arguing about a language that except in a BOOK (albiet a great book) does not exist! and jenos if you must learn languages (I approve by the way being bilingual or more is a good thing) you can learn real languages that might actually be useful
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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Granted Tolkien was a linguist and studied all of what you mentioned and more, he still created the word 'dunedain,' being it is an elvish word and he is solely responsible for its creation. Oh ho, not studied elvish? I am quite fluent in Quenya and Sindarin, as a matter of fact. Tolkien wrote 'dunedain,' and since he created the elvish language, that is how it is how it should be spelled. Who says it is altered if nobody is sure how it was originally spelled? Nobody knows how to pronounce elvish, but given what Tolkien wrote concerning elvish, its spelling, and pronounciation - dunedain is the correct spelling, not dunadaine. Give it a rest.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: October 31, 2005
Posts: 105
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Tolkien's creation? No no no. He took his ideas from Finnish, Celtic, Nordic, Roman, Greek, and Germanic myths. As for spelling, (it is clear that you haven't studied elvish,) the original spelling is unclear, except of course in LOTR, but that is the word as we see it altered by the secondborn, carried from Valinor to Numenor to Middle Earth, and spans about 2 ages.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring, Renewed will be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be King
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Registered: November 30, 2004
Posts: 4514
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It depends on what part you see as ironic because I see more than one thing here.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
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Registered: January 15, 2003
Posts: 3709
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Am I the only person that finds this incredibly ironic? quote: Once Upon A Time, When Christmas Was Banned... by C. Danko
Outlawing the celebration of Christmas sounds a little extreme, but it happened.
In fact, the culture and way of thinking that led to the ban was an important, as well as controversial, part of life in 17th and 18th century Massachusetts. The ban existed as law for only 22 years, but disapproval of Christmas celebration took many more years to change. In fact, it wasn't until the mid-1800s that celebrating Christmas became fashionable in the Boston region.
The Puritans who emigrated to Massachusetts to build a new life had several reason for disliking Christmas. First of all, it reminded them of the Church of England and the old-world customs, which they were trying to escape. Secondly, they didn't consider the holiday a truly religious day. December 25th wasn't selected as the birth date of Christ until several centuries after his death. Thirdly, the holiday celebration usually included drinking, feasting, and playing games - all things which the Puritans frowned upon. One such tradition, "wassailing" occasionally turned violent. The older custom entailed people of a lower economic class visiting wealthier community members and begging, or demanding, food and drink in return for toasts to their hosts' health. If a host refused, there was the threat of retribution. Although rare, there were cases of wassailing in early New England. Finally, the British had been applying pressure on the Puritans for a while to conform to English customs. The ban was probably as much political as it was religious for many.
"For preventing disorders, arising in several places within this jurisdiction by reason of some still observing such festivals as were superstitiously kept in other communities, to the great dishonor of God and offense of others: it is therefore ordered by this court and the authority thereof that whosoever shall be found observing any such day as Christmas or the like, either by forbearing of labor, feasting, or any other way, upon any such account as aforesaid, every such person so offending shall pay for every such offence five shilling as a fine to the county."
From the records of the General Court, Massachusetts Bay Colony May 11, 1659
Records indicate the first Christmas in the new world passed uneventfully. Some of the new settlers celebrated Christmas, while others did not. But the events of the second Christmas celebrated by Puritans in Massachusetts were documented by the group's governor, William Bradford. Sickness had wiped out many of their group, and for the first time they were facing hostility by one of the Native American tribes in the area. Bradford recorded that on the morning of the 25th, he had called everyone out to work, but some men from the newly arrived ship "Fortune" told him it was against their conscience to work on Christmas. He responded he would spare them "until they were better informed." But when he returned at noon, he found them playing games in the street. His response, as noted in his writings was: "If they made the keeping of it matter of devotion, let them keep their houses, but there should be no gameing or revelling in the streets."
That second Christmas was the first time the celebration was forbidden in Massachusetts, but the ban didn't make it into the law books until several years later. As the settlement grew, and more English emigrated to the area, tensions grew between the Puritans and British. The more pressure the English king exerted on the colonists, the more they resisted. In 1659, the ban became official. The General Court banned the celebration of Christmas and other such holidays at the same time it banned gambling and other lawless behavior, grouping all such behaviors together. The court placed a fine of five shillings on anyone caught feasting or celebrating the holiday in another manner.
"The generality of Christmas-keepers observe that festival after such a manner as is highly dishonourable to the name of Christ. How few are there comparatively that spend those holidays (as they are called) after an holy manner. But they are consumed in Compotations, in Interludes, in playing at Cards, in Revellings, in excess of Wine, in mad Mirth ..."
- Reverend Increase Mather, 1687
The ban was revoked in 1681 by an English-appointed governor Sir Edmund Andros, who also revoked a Puritan ban against festivities on Saturday night. But even after the ban was lifted, the majority of colonists still abstained from celebrations. Samuel Sewell, whose diary of life in Massachusetts Bay Colony was later published, made a habit of watching the holiday - specifically how it was observed - each year. "Carts came to town and Shops open as is usual. Some, somehow, observe the day; but are vexed, I believe, that the Body of the People profane it, - and, blessed be God! no Authority yet to compel them to keep it," Sewell wrote in 1685.
http://www.apuritansmind.com/Christmas/DankoChristmasBanned.htm
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Registered: April 03, 2004
Posts: 6525
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Burn.
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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My apologies clpo. Geography was never my strong point. Butchering of Tolkien's creation, I don't care what you said, my statement still stands. If you are going to make a damn screen name, learn how to spell it first. Especially Tolkien. Sarcasm or not, you are still an idiot.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6040
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quote: But rugar, Bethlehem is on the opposite side of the world than us. For us it is winter, over there it would be spring - and warm.
You're thinking above and below the equator Jenos. Israel is in the Northern Hemisphere so the seasons aren't switched. However, it is very close to North Africa, so it would still be pretty warm even in winter. Besides, Jesus' celebrated birthday (winter solstice and then Dec. 25) was chosen by the Council of Nicea because it was a pagan holiday and by making it the day of the birth of the most holy person ever (according to them, at least) made it un-pagan and thus better. Comparative religions classes teach you a lot.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: October 31, 2005
Posts: 105
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My statement lacks nothing. It says exactly what it was ment to say, but let me put it in simple terms for you: Get a life! You totally missed the sarcasm in my statement, yet said I was stupid because I didn't get your sarcasm.(I did, you would know that if you had understood my sarcasm)
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring, Renewed will be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be King
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Registered: December 10, 2003
Posts: 1081
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Everybody just stop and breath for a moment...Ok, now continue.(reading arguements all day is tiresome)
In order to teach, one must first learn to listen
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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Your statement lacks cohesion and logic. For me to have misunderstood sarcasm, there had to be sarcasm to begin with. And with your statement, there is little chance of extruding any such a thought from it. And just to inform you, counter-sarcasm isn't a word. But I like the sentence - way to be original.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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Registered: October 31, 2005
Posts: 105
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It seems for you counter-sarcasm is incomprehensible.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring, Renewed will be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be King
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Registered: May 03, 2003
Posts: 8901
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It seems for you sarcasm is incomprehensible. I was only referring to your butchering of one of the my favorite words included among Tolkien's masterpieces. Whatever the heck I am? I suppose I am going to have to agree with you there...as I am something. At least the last time I checked.
I like these calm little moments before the storm.
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