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Actually, I'm the one who started the God(TM). See http://www.freewebs.com/religionsltd (my fake corporation).

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The main point of my argument is that it is the sins of men that caused the flood mentioned in the Bible, which set in place a chain of events which cause natural disasters today, thus the tsunami was because of the sins of men before the flood.

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You are incorrect about the amount of water it would take, our oceans are a result of the flood, so they are proof that it happened.

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act of God(TM)? (teehee, i took that from clpo, I hope he doesn't mind...)

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The water can't come up from the ground, the volume of water it would take to flood the earth is more than all the underground water and oceans, freshwater bodies, groud water, and water vapor combined. The only possibility is that the water came from space, and this object carrying the water would collide with earth and cause a mass extinction, so that isn't really a possibility afterall.

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As for large ammounts of earth being moved it is entirely plausible, scientist tell you that it was erosion, but you are not considering the fact that erosions speed is increased with the amount of water and the softness of the dirt, it being in that time frame, with more oxygen and a more humid climate, deserts would have been non-existent.

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Remember that mountains grow because of tectonic plates shifting, so in that time frame mountains would not have been the size they are now.(

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Also, If the atmosphere was more oxygen rich, it would have been like a hyper-baric chamber, and so there would have been more oxygen per square inch, and if there was more oxygen then it would counter balance the humidity enableing people to breathe.

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You are not accounting for the four to five thousand years of weather conditions that would affect it's look, including strong winds because it's a desert.

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My point is that it was a flood that caused the erosion in about one day, and that it was not millions of years and a little stream.

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The geology of the grand canyon doesn't suggest large amounts of earth being removed. It suggests slow erosion, most likely by the tell-tale Colorado river running through it.

And no, even if there was a lot of oxygen, and I'm not saying that there was, you don't seem to have grasped how much water this would take. The air would be saturated. And if you mean that the atmosphere was more saturated with oxygen, no, the atmosphere would have tgo be BIGGER, not more oxygen rich.

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And no, even if there was a lot of oxygen, and I'm not saying that there was, you don't seem to have grasped how much water this would take. The air would be saturated. And if you mean that the atmosphere was more saturated with oxygen, no, the atmosphere would have tgo be BIGGER, not more oxygen rich.

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Nope, that's not how floods work. An immense flood would move so much rock and sediment, any carvass, such as a canyon, would be filled. I'm outdoors pretty often and I can tell the difference between a piece of land that has been flooded, carved out by a river or carved by massive water runoff. The Grand canyon is definitely carved by river erosion.

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You don't get it. What Finn is trying to say is that if all that water evaporated into the air the atomosphere would be saturated with water vapor. Ever notice how it's hard to breathe in places with high humidity? That's because there's more water vapor in the air. Regardless if there is more oxygen or not, you can't breathe water.

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How, so long as I abide by the rules of logic, how would you have me accept as proof anything which itself is lacking proof? Before a prophecy could constitute proof I should first have to be completely certain it was ever pronounced; the prophecies history tells us of belong to history and for me they can only have the force of other historical facts, whereof three out of four are exceedingly dubious; if to this I add the strong probability that they have been transmitted to us by not very objective historieans, who recorded what they preferred to have us read, I shall be quite within my rights if I am skeptical. And furthermore, who is there to assure me that this prophecy was not made after the fact, that it was not a stratagem of everyday political scheming, lke that which predicts a happy reign under a just king, or frost in wintertime? As for your miracles, I am not any reader to be taken in by such rubbish. All rascals have performed them, all fools have believed in them; before I'd be persuaded of the truth of a miracle I would have to be very sure that the event so called by you was absolutely contrary to the laws of Nature, for only what is outside of Nature can pass for miraculous; and who is so deeply learned in Nature that he can affirm the precise point where her domain ends, and the precise point where it is infringed upon? Only two things are needed to accredit an alleged miracled, a mountebank and a few simpletons; tush, there's the whole origin of your prodigies; all new adherents to a religious sect have wrought some; and more extraordinary still, all have found imbeciles around to believe them. Your Jesus's feats do not surprass those of Apollonius of Tyana, yet nobody thinks to take the latter for a god; and when we come to your martyrs, assurdly, there are the feeblest of all your arguments. To produce martyrs you need but have enthusiasm on one hand, resistance on the other; and so long as an opposed cause offers me as many of them as does yours, I shall never be sufficiently authorized to believe on better than another, but rather very much inclined to consider all of them pitiable. Ahh my friend! Were it tru that the god you preach did exist, would he need miracle, martyr, or prophecy to secure recognition? and if, as you declare, the human heart were of his making, would he not have chosen it for the repository of his law? Then would his law, impratial for all manking because emanating from just a god, then would it be found graved deep and writ clear in all men alike, and from one end of the world to the other, all men, having this delicate and sensitive organ in common, would also resemble each other through the homage they would render the god whence they had got it; all would adore and serve him in one identical manner, and they would be as incapable of disregarding this god as of resisting the inward impulse to worship him. Instead of that, what do I behold throughout this world? As many gods as there are countries; as many different cults as there are different minds or different imaginations; and this swarm of opinions among which it is physically impossible for me to choose, say now, is this just a god's doing? Fie upon you, preacher, you outrage your god when you present him to me thus; rather let me deny him completely for if he exists then I outrage him far less incredulity than do you through your blasphemies. Return to your senses, preacher, your Jesus is no better than Mohammed, Mohammed no better than Moses, and the three of them combined no better than Confucius, who did after all have some wise things to say while the others did not but rave; in general, though, such people are all mere frauds: philosophers laughed at them, the mob believed them, and justice ought to have hanged them.

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Or it could have displaced enough earth to carve out a massive canyon afterwards.

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Back to the source from which it came the earth...To the land and to the air.

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but if you research the atmospheric conditions thatwould have been at that time, there was much more oxygen in the atmosphere, Creationist Kent Hovind has done a lot of research on this particular subject, so look him up for more.

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With a flood of the magnitude described in the Bible, the grand canyon could have been created in one day or less, considering for the ammount of water flowing up from the ground it would have destroyed the ground above it, bring rock and all kinds of things with it.

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The amount of water required to flood the entire earth is so great that the amount of water vapor that would be in the air as a result would make it impossible to breathe without drowning.

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Haha. You really shouldn't be arguing with me. Have you ever noticed the Columbia river flowing through the canyon? Ever hear of water erosion? Millions of years ago, the canyon was just flat land with a river flowing through it. As time progressed, the water in the river eroded away at the rock and formed the canyon we know today. If there was a massive flood, the canyon wouldn't have that distinctive shape. In fact, I don't believe it would exist if there was a flood. The amounts of water that would be required to flood the entire Earth, would move enough sediment and rock to fill in the Grand Canyon. And therefore, it should not exist.

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Jude 7"[the wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns- which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity- are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire." (Amp.)