Simple question. Is everything the christian god does good, or does the fact that the actions come from god make them good?

Here's my thought. Throughout the bible, blood has been shed, innocents murdered, all in the name of god (or by god himself,) and it has been ordained by the heavenly father. Is god unable to do an unjust thing, or do we percieve everything god does to be good, whether it be evil or not?

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Murder of innocents? I can't find that one

what about when every first-born child in Egypt was killed? ::innocent children::

You're losing the point. Is everything god does just, or does god only do just things?

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And if Christianity really did "embrace" the Jewish holy book, why didn't they "embrace" the laws and customs as well? I don't see many Christians in yammakuhs, do you?

the OT was something people followed before Christ.......there wasnt anything else then....no NT to use.....when Christ was born the NT was written and "CHRISTIANS" followed him....the NT

Some didnt believe Jesus was "the one" so they contiue to wait for "the one" to come.....they did and still do follow the OT (Jewish comunity)

the OT used to be everyones.....then christians branched off after the birth of Christ to follow christianity, the OT remained as a piece of history...because it is still our history.

That's why I used quotations around adopted. Christianity didn't have any right to use the Torah or any other part of the Old Testament as part of its holy book. That's like composing a piece of music and sticking the main theme from Star Wars right in the middle. Christians didn't come up with the Old Testament. Jews did.

And if Christianity really did "embrace" the Jewish holy book, why didn't they "embrace" the laws and customs as well? I don't see many Christians in yammakuhs, do you?

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That's what I originally thought, but then why leave Leviticus in there? It's just a bunch of laws that no one follows anymore

again history (history of laws)

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It was written by the Hebrews and "adopted" by the Christians. Tell me how that isn't stealing.

definitions...

adopt: to embrace (an idea, method, belief etc.)

steal: To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

i am in no condition to be on the internet right now....

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it wasnt stolen, it was just there before Christ came

It was written by the Hebrews and "adopted" by the Christians. Tell me how that isn't stealing.

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i personally think it is left now as just sort of a refferance of history.

That's what I originally thought, but then why leave Leviticus in there? It's just a bunch of laws that no one follows anymore. The Council of Nicea must have had some reason to stick it in the Bible they created.

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Also, if the Old Testament doesn't hold to modern Christians, why does the Bible still have it? That's always confused me. It's like Christianity just stole the Jewish holy book and tacked on a different ending (which is essentially what happened).

it wasnt stolen, it was just there before Christ came, and it was what people followed.....then Christ came a new testament was written for christians to follow
i personally think it is left now as just sort of a refferance of history.

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Do you honestly believe that all the people who died in the flood deserved their fate, or in Sodom? I don't. They are killed because of their ancestry and sexuality. Great, god sounds like a nazi

and there is no "wrong" interpretation of the bible, sweety. And that's what it says in Romans, that they were made homosexual, and they were destroyed for it.QUOTE]

They were. They were all evil! It wasn't Nazi. It was true.

There is a wrong way to interpret the Bible. People do it ALL the time. That chapter is actually a favorite of mine.

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But God doesn't murder innocents.

I apologize if someone's already mentioned this, but there is an instance in the Bible where God commands his people to kill the families of a couple people who stole from a temple, or something like that. Yes, the perpetrators were guilty, but not their families.

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God isn’t angry

Anger is a human failing. Why would a divine being have a human quality?

Also, if the Old Testament doesn't hold to modern Christians, why does the Bible still have it? That's always confused me. It's like Christianity just stole the Jewish holy book and tacked on a different ending (which is essentially what happened).

ok, i get it we are talking about the old testament yes, plenty of death there, since christians are to follow the new testament, i mostly stay there.

on the old testament God "seems" to some a little harsher than in the new t. here is why

"God poured out all His wrath on Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible says. And, as a result, God isn’t angry at anybody anymore. He is extending salvation. Now is the acceptable (time) of the Lord, the (time) of Jubilee, where He extends salvation to all who will hear and respond to the story, the Good News of what Jesus did on the cross for all people everywhere for all time. Now, in the Old Testament, I think it’s a mistake to say that somehow He’s harsh. It’s just a different covenant. And Jesus said that. I’m instituting a new covenant. The old covenant with the children of Israel had to do with observing laws, rules and regulations. And when they broke those laws, rules and regulations, they broke the covenant, and they lost out on the blessings of God. But over and over again, they returned to Him. And I love some of the Psalms, where they talk in terms of “His mercy endures forever. His loving-kindness endures forever.” And you need to keep that picture in mind. God hasn’t changed. His loving-kindness endures forever, and it was in His plan and purpose to have a Messiah, to have a sacrifice for all sin for all time. And that plan was made and written out in the Old Testament. It’s a different covenant."

(Gordon Robertson)

Do you honestly believe that all the people who died in the flood deserved their fate, or in Sodom? I don't. They are killed because of their ancestry and sexuality. Great, god sounds like a nazi

and there is no "wrong" interpretation of the bible, sweety. And that's what it says in Romans, that they were made homosexual, and they were destroyed for it.

I pity all those lost souls. But then again, I pity even the devil.

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Originally posted by northstar316:

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i cant think of a story where someone was murdered "in the name of God"....so if you know one then tell me where to find it please.

King David kills every single Caananite in Syria in his quest to create a unified Israel, as a sacrifice to god. God is pleased by this. When a man was found with a Caananite ring in the army of David, he was killed, for all the booty was a sacrifice. This is wrong, no matter what.

and what about the Ark? Are you telling me that the only good people on the planet were of the house of Seth?

And in Romans, God makes the Romans homosexual, so that he can punish them for that sin.

is this right?

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It's excusable when goes tells you to.

I'll tell that to the Inca. I'm sure they will be relieved that their murderors were excused.

The people of Sodom were somebody's babies once, you know.

"Sodom" Hussein was somebody's baby once too. (Yes, I know it's not really Sodom).

They weren't innocent. None of those are innocents. They were all receiving what was justly theirs. He is a God of justice and of mercy, but even after mercy, you've still got to take your punishment.

If I'm not mistaken, the Syrian thing was in David's wild years, when he wasn't exactly being the most righteous person ever.

You're misinterpretting Romans.

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i cant think of a story where someone was murdered "in the name of God"....so if you know one then tell me where to find it please.

King David kills every single Caananite in Syria in his quest to create a unified Israel, as a sacrifice to god. God is pleased by this. When a man was found with a Caananite ring in the army of David, he was killed, for all the booty was a sacrifice. This is wrong, no matter what.

and what about the Ark? Are you telling me that the only good people on the planet were of the house of Seth?

And in Romans, God makes the Romans homosexual, so that he can punish them for that sin.

is this right?

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It's excusable when goes tells you to.

I'll tell that to the Inca. I'm sure they will be relieved that their murderors were excused.

The people of Sodom were somebody's babies once, you know.

Well, to start off with ChrissyLynn, Goliath. It was homocide. True, it was right and just, because everything of God is right. It's justice. Actions that come from God are right. But still, Goliath was murdered.

However, northstar, where are "innocents murdered." I can't find that one. Murder? yes. Blood-shed? Yes. Murder of innocents? I can't find that one.

It's excusable when goes tells you to. But God doesn't murder innocents.

these are qualities of God refected in the Bible....

God is knowable
God is personal
God is a Spirit
God is one existing in three persons, not three gods, but one God
God cannot go against His immutable nature e.g.
God cannot lie.
God is trustworthy
God loves man
God provided a Saviour through His manifold grace. "

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Throughout the bible, blood has been shed, innocents murdered, all in the name of god (or by god himself,)

i cant think of a story where someone was murdered "in the name of God"....so if you know one then tell me where to find it please.