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If you would actually research the subject and not form thoughtless opinions you would know that the bible is a compilation of 66 books written by 40+ different authors over about 1500 years, and with all of that it still doesn't contradict itself.

For all you know, those authors may just have been power hungry, and thus created a book to drive people into complacency. And that can happen. That's how cults start.

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The Bible isn't evidence. For all we know, the Bible could have been written by some schitzophrenic guy.

For all you know!!! What kind of half-baked statement is that. If you would actually research the subject and not form thoughtless opinions you would know that the bible is a compilation of 66 books written by 40+ different authors over about 1500 years, and with all of that it still doesn't contradict itself.

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Originally posted by bella123:
Very often misplaced with polygamy.

What do you mean?

Very often misplaced with polygamy.

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Just because there isn't tangible evidence, doesn't mean there isn't evidence.

Before we start with Bible, let's say this. I use the King James Version, plus the JST, which is a word changed here and there because they were translated badly. Anything coming from any newer translation than that is regarded by me as useless.

The Bible isn't evidence. For all we know, the Bible could have been written by some schitzophrenic guy.

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Oh dear...it is the sheer concept of "I am a bad creature" of Christianity that makes me want to go burn bibles...

I did that once.

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I must ask you, just for the sake of this thread. Has he ever told you that you will be damned? Has he ever told you that he thinks you're evil? I would think he hasn't.

Heh. No he hasn't. Should he?

I don't think religion should get in the way of personal feelings, don't you?

Very agreed. My brother has had several non-Mormon gf's. I was just saying that Mormons aren't the people they're painted to be.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Even the original King James Bible was inaccurate. A lot is lost in translation. For the best you're ever going to get out of a Bible, find one in Koine Greek. After all, that's what the New Testament was originally written in. Of course, that doesn't help me all that much seeing as I doubt the veracity of the whole thing. Too many holes and not enough to fill them.

Which is what the JST is for. It's corrections, inspired by God.

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I must ask you, just for the sake of this thread. Has he ever told you that you will be damned? Has he ever told you that he thinks you're evil? I would think he hasn't.

Heh. No he hasn't. Should he?

I don't think religion should get in the way of personal feelings, don't you?

Even the original King James Bible was inaccurate. A lot is lost in translation. For the best you're ever going to get out of a Bible, find one in Koine Greek. After all, that's what the New Testament was originally written in. Of course, that doesn't help me all that much seeing as I doubt the veracity of the whole thing. Too many holes and not enough to fill them.

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I use the King James Version, plus the JST, which is a word changed here and there because they were translated badly. Anything coming from any newer translation than that is regarded by me as useless.

Why would anyone be soo reliable on any of those bibles? The first bible wasn't even created till the late 500's-600's, long after Chirst died. And the King James version wasn't created till the 1400's which goes to show that many mistakes must've been made during the translation. How can you rely on something so contradicted?

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Well, hey, that's good. Likely a longer life expectancy.

Mind you, there are very very few Mormons here, so I don't know a lot on it. There is one school, though, that is run by Mormons, and teaches Mormon teachings, but it beats the children as a punishment. Is this acceptable in the faith or are they just being mean in the school? Not that I mind the hitting, the discipline there is wonderful in comparison to my school.

Well, it isn't encouraged, but it also isn't banned. I was spanked as a child, which isn't against Mormon rules, but it is against the rules to cause permanent harm, so that it goes to the point of child abuse. If you are abusing, domestically or physically, you are not allowed to go into the temple, and if it goes to a point that you will not repent, you can be excommunicated.

Well, hey, that's good. Likely a longer life expectancy.

Mind you, there are very very few Mormons here, so I don't know a lot on it. There is one school, though, that is run by Mormons, and teaches Mormon teachings, but it beats the children as a punishment. Is this acceptable in the faith or are they just being mean in the school? Not that I mind the hitting, the discipline there is wonderful in comparison to my school.

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Ok, stupid question, but can mormons drink? I heard it's against the faith.

That's true. No alcohol, no tobacco, no drugs (other than perscribed ones) no caffeine.

Ok, stupid question, but can mormons drink? I heard it's against the faith.

Just because there isn't tangible evidence, doesn't mean there isn't evidence.

Before we start with Bible, let's say this. I use the King James Version, plus the JST, which is a word changed here and there because they were translated badly. Anything coming from any newer translation than that is regarded by me as useless.

Also, I'll say that I'm not out to prove ANYTHING. All I want to do is to erase the bad name that Mormons have been given. All I want to do is dispell rumors. Mormons, if you have ever met a missionary, want to prove with faith, and since I can't do so on such a public level, I can't and do not want to prove anything to you.

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Originally posted by bella123:
Heh. I'm going out with a mormon and i'm a methodist.

How ironic.

I must ask you, just for the sake of this thread. Has he ever told you that you will be damned? Has he ever told you that he thinks you're evil? I would think he hasn't.

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I believe that there is a God because it's more logical then not believing there is one. Science proves , and you can ask any scientist ( if they are being honest ) and they will tell you that you can never ever get something, from nothing. If evolution were correct then something would have to come from nothing. And thats just not possible. So if we are talking science here, the belief that there is an intelligent creator takes less faith then to believe we came from nothing at all. Since that's just not possible.

That is so unfactual I don't know where to start. Most scientists believe in evolution, I don't know who you're talking to. And in evolution, people don't come from nothing. it is an evolutionary process starting with the attraction of matter which often ties into the big bang theory. believiing in god is not more logical seeing as it requires faith and faith is not logical.

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The bible, if studied, and compared to other religions ( including the religion of evolution ) you would find that the bible does come out on top as far as probability, and logic.

Evolution is not religion. The bible is in no way more logical. An all powerful being created everything in 7 days? yea, that makes more sense thn evolution.

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So - again I'll ask - why isn't it true ?

Because there is no proof of god. There is proof supporting evolution.

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You say where is the scientific proof. Well where is yours ?

That right there proves you have none.

Have I said anything to disprove myself yet ? I was simply asking for the same proof that she was demanding from me.

I have not always believed the bible to be true. I have read a lot about different religions, science, etc.

First of all in order for the bible to be true, you have to believe that there actually is a God, who could preserve his word, who would have a purpose for having such a book written.

I believe that there is a God because it's more logical then not believing there is one. Science proves , and you can ask any scientist ( if they are being honest ) and they will tell you that you can never ever get something, from nothing. If evolution were correct then something would have to come from nothing. And thats just not possible. So if we are talking science here, the belief that there is an intelligent creator takes less faith then to believe we came from nothing at all. Since that's just not possible.

For more on this visit : http://www.answersingenesis.com go to questions and answers ~ or better yet, look into the whole site.

No matter what a person believes there is always going to be an element of faith involved. The bible, if studied, and compared to other religions ( including the religion of evolution ) you would find that the bible does come out on top as far as probability, and logic.

So - again I'll ask - why isn't it true ?

Heh. I'm going out with a mormon and i'm a methodist.

How ironic.

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You say where is the scientific proof. Well where is yours ?

That right there proves you have none.