clpo---finally back on the topic...glad someone is

"In other words, what caused the Big Bang?"

great question, this should be intresting....

yes i get what you are saying, earth....but there isnt enough proof out there to make me accept evolution.....and obviously i am not alone in that.

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I believe the creation of the universe and our Earth was dictated only by the laws of nature.

Then you know it is impossible to create something from nothing, according to what we know of the universe. So, if something cannot create itself, something else had to. In other words, what caused the Big Bang?

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as i said earthgoddes---there is no "perfect" proof on this topic, i dont mean fragments of proof, i mean 100% proof........

*Sigh*

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Well, scientists have found Dinosaurs with feathers, lizards with mammalian anatomy, fish with repitilian anatomy, marsupial cats, horses with paws instead of hooves, humans that look like apes and apes that look like humans. Hell, they've even found saber-toothed cats that are hyena-like. Missing links quite obviously exist.

Pay attention.

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the earth has been 100% proven not to be flat.

You obviously don't get it. I can have an opinion that states otherwise, that is what makes it an opinion. Saying the Earth is a sphere is a fact. Saying the Earth is flat is an opinion.

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freemarketlover---your right i am not "real" just a figment of your imagination, so now all we have to determine is if you are "real" and if you have an imagination....

You still don't get it. Apparently, you're lacking quite heavily in logic. Sad.

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Proof. lol. Can you proove that you exsist? I don't think you can.

freemarketlover---your right i am not "real" just a figment of your imagination, so now all we have to determine is if you are "real" and if you have an imagination....

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i mean 100% proof

Proof. lol. Can you proove that you exsist? I don't think you can. Descartes did a decent job but I don't think you know who that is chrissylynn. Can you proove that your brain has thoughts inside of it. Can you proove 100% that E=MC Squared(no exponent key). They are all theories. Scientific theories that are close to being laws but still theories never the less are resposible for much of our earthly understanding. I challenge you here and now chrissylynn to proove to me that your body exsists.

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Personal beliefs not founded on proof or certainty (opinions) are usually considered wrong when presented in the face of solid proof. Common sense. Blah.

as i said earthgoddes---there is no "perfect" proof on this topic, i dont mean fragments of proof, i mean 100% proof........
so that leaves us to have an OPINION on it.

the earth has been 100% proven not to be flat.

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All right, even though I've shown how ID and Creationism are not the same, some of you still persist in thinking that they are. Why?

I know they aren't the same. I just don't like the idea that there was a creator, at all. I believe the creation of the universe and our Earth was dictated only by the laws of nature.

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and an opinion is an opinion...it is not based on fact so it cant be wrong

Here's an opinion: The Earth is flat. It's a wrong opinion but it is still an opinion. Look at your definition again. "a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty"

Personal beliefs not founded on proof or certainty (opinions) are usually considered wrong when presented in the face of solid proof. Common sense. Blah.

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I'm beginning to think chrissy was the missing link

ha...i have been refered to as alot of things but that takes the cake....i will certainly have to let my friends and family in on that....

no but really that was a classic!

this is just as pointless to argue with someone as anything lacking "perfect" evidence

bluedemocrat--
and an opinion is an opinion...it is not based on fact so it cant be wrong

here i looked it up for you....

OPINION--
a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty
Opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgement or evaluation of something. It is usually based on a personal assessment.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

All right, even though I've shown how ID and Creationism are not the same, some of you still persist in thinking that they are. Why?

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yes DNA can mutate that is how you end up with different species of cats and dogs....

Cats and dogs shared the same ancestor millions of years ago. It could have been a dog-like creature that developed a more flexible spine, retractable claws, and a longer tail. Or it could have been a combination of the two that branched off into the two different Families over time.

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but something cant mutate into a whole other being.....

If the DNA is messed up enough, it can, over a long period of time. Like I said, if we didn't evolve, we'd all be screwed. Our oldest ancestors lived and thrived in water, but when the Earth cooled and the polar ice caps started to form, the ocean levels started to drop, so they had to change as well or else life would've ended forever.

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that is what science calls...the missing links,they are missing because they dont exist.

Well, scientists have found Dinosaurs with feathers, lizards with mammalian anatomy, fish with repitilian anatomy, marsupial cats, horses with paws instead of hooves, humans that look like apes and apes that look like humans. Hell, they've even found saber-toothed cats that are hyena-like. Missing links quite obviously exist.

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What is ironic is that human and pufferfish DNA are 99.99% identical. Imagine that.

Humans and Chimps can breed and create an offspring. Humans and pufferfish can not. Two different humans have 99.99% identical DNA. Therefore, that is inaccurate. Or give me a source and I might believe it.

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but IN MY OPINION they dont exist unless they are found.

They have been found, fool.

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ID is horse**** bull**** hogwash. Garbage. Trash. Its not science. It is feces. crap.

Amen.

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ID is horse**** bull**** hogwash. Garbage. Trash. Its not science. It is feces. crap.

Glad to see we can have an intelligent debate about this. You know, I didn't ask for your opinion, AMF. And I sure as hell don't want it. If you have nothing better to do than insult me for my beliefs, take it somewhere else.

Damned closed-minded ***hole.

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Creationism needed to adapt so it could get taught in schools (ie so it could survive).

LOL

I believe in Intelligent design, but it is bad science. It is not something that can be proven or evidenced through the scietific process. I don't want it tought in a Biology or Anthropology class. Philosophy, sure. Bio, no.

However, speculation that an intelligent designer of some sort or nature might be/have influncing things is healthy, if there is a rational reason based upon evidence that implies it.

For evolution, I'm not sure that exists. For the creation of the universe, that's a different story.

the reason ID is not science is because it does not use the scientific method of formulating answers based on experimental results.

I'm beginning to think chrissy was the missing link. Latin name- CromagnonYner

Chrissy, you can have an opinion but there is such a thing as a wrong opinion.

Can you prove we weren't? The fossil record clearly shows that life as it is now hasn't been around forever. We must have come from somewhere. And amoeba are the one of the simplest forms of life.

and it is my opinion that the missing links dont exist, of course...i figured you would catch on to that...
but IN MY OPINION they dont exist unless they are found.


can you prove we were once amoebas?

Chrissy, you say that as if you know it for a fact. Do you? Did you hide the missing links so no one can find them? I think not. Therefore, unless you have proof that they don't exist, the assumption is that they do, and paleoanthropologists will continue looking for them.

Also, perhaps you should read through this. It documents just what has been found regarding human evolution.

Finally, you say that something can evolve into another being. But we know that has happened. Life on this planet started out as amoeba swimming around in the primordial goo. So, how did those amoeba become humans? Or cats? Or blue-footed boobies? They must have *gasp* evolved. Logic at work, my dear.

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Oh and let's not forget that Human and Chimpanzee DNA is 98% identical.

What is ironic is that human and pufferfish DNA are 99.99% identical. Imagine that.