You know what I find odd? People who thank God for their misfortunes. I was on a mission trip once and we (meaning my youth group) were with a group of Free Methodists. A large number of us got sick (could have been the water; it was Mexico, after all) and one guy even collapsed from a prior kidney injury. What did the other group do? They thanked God for it all. My group, being Lutherans, thought that was simply insane. But Lutherans think a lot of people are insane.

Anyways, I, for one, don't blame God for life's misfortunes. Bad stuff happens. I take it in stride and keep on with life. Of course, not too many bad things happen to me, so I suppose I really have nothing to whine about.

Have you ever wondered what religion does God have? Or does he nid it at all since he’s God and he’s the one being worshipped? Religion is a disciplined way of living – in health, eating, grooming, manners, raising a child, sanitation, marriage. But what is really right in the sight of God? Man wants to be independent to do what he thinks is right. Take robin hood, stealing others to help others. Hmm? The end does not always justify the means. Do we continue to hate God when we feel He is unfair? The homeless and the poor.. – the rich and the church/brethren itself is commanded to look for fellow brethren/men. Look for others’ welfare first before our own. (Philip 2:4) We see those beautiful big edifices but nobody’s actually in them except the chairs and outside that buildings are the homeless - shivering in the cold rain. Where is the Love? Is God that unfair or is it just man being unfair to others? And they call them brethren!?
Yet they don’t help ‘em? There’s still racial discrimination and the discrimination of the poor by the rich. The earth has enuf for every man’s need but not for every one’s greed.
Was God sleeping when you were being robbed or being raped? Do you think he was happy when you were harmed? Maybe there’s a reason behind it. Maybe there’s a terrible reason and a terrible past that happened way, way back in the time of Adam and Eve- when both of them disobeyed God in the first place – a “curse”. But now Christ is appointed to be the mediator of God and man.
Well, if you are on God’s side, I don’t think you will be left alone coz you’re doing what God wants you to do. (Or maybe it is still unclear to most of us what God REALLY wants us to do.) Does God want women putting on make up and dressing like a slut with all the bling bling and all? Or does He want men goin to clubs to unwind and to be with his homeboys hitting some girls? Does He want kids just loitering around side streets smoking pot?
He is a God of justice. Maybe there’s something wrong in our faith or belief in which He did not taught that’s why there are times he left us. He’s just waiting for us to really look for Him and be his servant. Did you know that He appoints Guardian angels to those who fear Him?( Psalms 34:7) Not every body has a guardian angel.. maybe a different angel.
If you were on God’s side, would you still be smoking? Gambling? Doing Drugs? cursing and using God’s name in curses even in everyday expressions or sentences? drinking? watching porn? going to pubs and strip clubs? beat your wife? rape children? Overindulge in eating? imagining lustful thoughts?geting revenge? I don’t think He would be too happy with that. If we follow the commandments of God, we don’t need cops and lawyers anymore.
But, hey, some just wanna enjoy life and have fun and thrill, right? Is God so uptight? Well, to understand God’s chastisement is beneficial to us in every way you look at it. If you don’t want Him, fine, He’s still God. That’s free will. You wanna go endanger yourself, go ahead and don’t blame Him, blame yourself. That’s the concept of free will and it will never be against God’s plan coz his plan is for you to choose where you want to go and not blame Him.
There are things that are willed by God and those not willed of God but will of the flesh.

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People who say you can be Christian and still beleive everyone goes to heaven are wrong or lying. It is just wrong.

Some theologians, i.e. those trained in theology will argue differently. Thomas Aquinas for instance, very much a Chrisitian, believed that everyone was going to Heaven.

See this is what im talking about when I say close minded Christians



Haha..monkeys.

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If they want to call themselves monkeys or something fine. And if they want to beleive that fine.

for some unknown reason I found that statement hilarious

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Why does it matter what other people believe?

It doesn't. It matters what they call themselves. If people are buddist, good for them. But you can't be Buddist, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or anything else if you don't accept the VERY basic and fundamental belief of that religion. People who say you can be Christian and still beleive everyone goes to heaven are wrong or lying. It is just wrong. If they want to call themselves monkeys or something fine. And if they want to beleive that fine. But don't lie and say you are something that you aren't.

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One can beleive that, but if they do, they are not Christian. All I am saying is that the only way to be Christian is to beleive that Christ is the messiah and died for our sins and whoever believes in him will go to heaven. If you beleive part of that, fine. But don't call yourself Christian.

Sorry but I dont think it's your place to tell people what they can call themselves or others. My friend belongs to a Christian church that does, in fact, believe that all people go to heaven.
Why does it matter what other people believe?

I think if someone says that for instance The Buddah God doesn't exist, gives permission for anyone else to say that the Christian God doesnt exist. Sorry Im getting off, but that's something that has been bugging me lately about closed minded Christians, or other people for that matter. And not just Christians, but I do see it a lot more in them.
Im not trying to single that certain group of people out, but it really bugs me when I see this happening.
Maybe you "know for a fact" that God and Jesus is real. Well, maybe a Muslim knows "for a fact" that his or her God is real.

Seems to me that nobody can win this debate

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one might argue that it is possible to believe Jesus was the savior and that all people do indeed go to heaven.

One can beleive that, but if they do, they are not Christian. All I am saying is that the only way to be Christian is to beleive that Christ is the messiah and died for our sins and whoever believes in him will go to heaven. If you beleive part of that, fine. But don't call yourself Christian.

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"the bible is dumb. It was written by humans. You can't beleive it."

I have never said and never will say that. You can believe whatever you want. It's not my place to stop you.

However, your answer begs the question of whether or not everything Jesus said was true. Using Jesus to prove Christianity is exactly the same as using Muhammad to prove Islam. But I'm sure you don't see Islam as being true, since it effectively renders Christianity obsolete.

But I agree that this is not a matter to be argued over. Belief in any religion requires faith. Faith is something I have little of, and I do well enough without religion anyways. On the other hand, you obviously do have quite some faith in your religion. No matter what some may say, that is good. I won't try to persuade you to believe otherwise because that would be pointless.

Also, one might argue that it is possible to believe Jesus was the savior and that all people do indeed go to heaven. In fact, I do believe that quite a number of Christians believe this. Is it the truth? Who can say? But who can say that it isn't?

The proof is the words of Jesus Christ. I am not trying to convert you so I am not going to argue with you when you say "the bible is dumb. It was written by humans. You can't beleive it." I am not going to try and covert you because I really don't know how and I don't have the energy to try. But as long as people on this board are claiming that you can beleive that Christ is the savior, yet alos beleive in that he isn't and everyone goes to heaven, I feel that it is important to point out what being a Christian means.

I'm still waiting for your proof, BS. It's not nice to keep a man waiting for proof that his soul is in danger.

I noticed that, but I merely though newb. Yours is much more entertianing however.

Religon. You know, like polygon. The title of the thread is mising a rather important vowel.

What?

*finds it funny that the hot religion topic at the moment is a thread entitled "religon", which makes her think of geometry*

This is why I hate religion

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Christ is the only way to God and heaven. That is just the truth.

Prove it.

You can't be part of a Christian; half Christian; 3/16 Christian. You are either a Christian or you aren't

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they are a Christian is wrong

They aren't claiming to be merely Christian. Stop being an idiot.

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You're not being fair to others beliefs.

No, I'm not. Christ is the only way to God and heaven. That is just the truth. Anyone who tells you otherwise and claims they are a Christian is wrong and sacrificing truth for tolerance.