Here is my issue with evolution...

Or the "hole" you have asked me to provide

This is quoted by Dr. Gary Parker, biologist/paleontologist and former ardent evolutionist
"In most people's minds, fossils and Evolution go hand in hand. In reality, fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation. If Evolution were true, we should find literally millions of fossils that show how one kind of life slowly and gradually changed to another kind of life. But missing links are the trade secret, in a sense, of paleontology. The point is, the links are still missing. What we really find are gaps that sharpen up the boundaries between kinds. It's those gaps which provide us with the evidence of Creation of separate kinds. As a matter of fact, there are gaps between each of the major kinds of plants and animals. Transition forms are missing by the millions. What we do find are separate and complex kinds, pointing to Creation" (Dr. Gary Parker, biologist/paleontologist and former ardent evolutionist).

And like i said before. You clearly have no idea how evolution or genetics works. All you said was that "things would have to evolve perfectly in pairs" which is not true in the least bit because while there are things (horses and donkeys) that produce sterile off-spring there are other animals that do not like zorses and wolf/dogs.

I would like to know exactly what holes are in evolution. The perfect pairs thing isn't a hole, that's just lack of knowledege on someone's behalf.

Evolution is much more complex than your description of it.

Also, there are fish that can breathe on land and in the water.

This all took place over BILLIONS of years. do you realize how long that is?

Right now, we are evolving. We are becoming taller and our brains are growing bigger with every generation.

Do you know what macro and micro evolution is? because if you did i'm quite certain we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

LMAO. I'm sorry but do you want to know why they don't teach ID in schools? BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TOWARDS IT.

The only thing behind ID is the whole "life is so diverse, someone had to think of it." and that in no way is proof of any sort. It is simply an idea that some christian came up with.

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Intelligent design is the idea that some being designed us. It is an alternative to the big bang not evolution.

yeah, no shit.

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you do know that evolution has already been proven true by darwin or have you not read the origin of species? that is why it's been taught in public schools for almost a hundred years.

nothing has "been proven" thats why we debate it.

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What holes are can be found in the evolution theory?

ummmm did you even read my last post...?

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ou clearly have know idea what evolution is, please read the origin of species or take a class on genetics.

there again READ THE DAMN POST.

wow. at least i now know you have no idea what you are talking about.

Intelligent design is the idea that some being designed us. It is an alternative to the big bang not evolution.

you do know that evolution has already been proven true by darwin or have you not read the origin of species? that is why it's been taught in public schools for almost a hundred years.

What holes are can be found in the evolution theory?

You clearly have know idea what evolution is, please read the origin of species or take a class on genetics.

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ohhhh my god.

you dont have one, or you are one....I dont recall...

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it's just very complex so scientists don't bother explaining it to the average retard.

and complex also is the theory of ID (intelligent design) which is why I wouldnt try explaining it to an "average retard",....

if you would take the time to do some research you would see that MANY scientists believe ID over Darwin.
As complex they are finding life to be, more and more scientists are leaning toward ID as random selection just seems more impossible than the altenative.

And let me ask you this about evolution...

do you believe as evolution says, we first came to exist in the seas?
then became land mammals?
when we came out of the water did we take a nice deep breath?
could you imagine a fish doing this?
then did we have Gills or lungs?

ohh and for evolution to work a species would have to evolve perfectly in pairs. because obviously you need a male and female to reproduce because if they are two different species then the resulting offspring is sterile....like a mule for example. you know wolfie, a horse and and ass crossed?

There are just as many holes in evolution as any other "theory" so dont sit high and mighty thinking you have all the answers and the the rest of us here and many reputable scientists are blithering idiots because we dont see things as you do.

so I guess I did try to explain it afterall, oh well someone had to do it.

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ohhhh my god.

the big bang didn't just "happen." it's just very complex so scientists don't bother explaining it to the average retard. I have tried to explain what the big bang is but apparently it just blows over everyone's head.

Now I know I'm talking to someone who doesn't know their salt either. I'm so disappointed.

Why does it have to have a creator? Have you ever heard of string theory? Why does the universe(s) have to be created? There are theories that they have always existed and always will but our minds can't grasp this sense of perpetualism.

Doesn't anyone watch Nova? or Discovery channel or the Science channel?

Seriously, because a lot of you need to.

If you think the big bang theory is that "there was a boom and everything was here." well you're wrong, that isn't what the big bang theory says. I've already posted what the big bang theory is like 5 times on this site.

Evolution does have a guide, reproduction. Think of it this way. There are deer with more muscle mass and fat and there are deer with less. If their environment became very cold all the deer with less fat will start to die so they won't be able to pass on their genes. The deer who are fatter will pass on their genes so their children will be fatter as well. Ta-da evolution.

Survival of the fittest. It can do crazy things when it has time.

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Life is such a gift for it to form from nothing which is why I treasure it.

explain to me how "something" can be formed from "nothing"

have you ever considered that the big bang was "created"?

or that evolution was guided or created?

how can anything created not have a creator?

well when i say "i swear to MFG" it's just a figure of speech.

I have no God because the highest power that I answer to is myself. No one can control me just as I can control no other. Therefore the God that guides me is me.

I believe in love, peace, kindness, purity, happiness, curiousity, and all other good feelings.

I need no god to dictate my life. I am quite capable of doing that myself.

I believe that there are gods in everything and everyone which makes this, that is life, so wonderful and irreplacable to me.

Life is such a gift for it to form from nothing which is why I treasure it.

without life what does one have?

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I swear to MFG

Wolfie, who is YOUR FG?
Just curious....

OMFG. Evolution does NOT tell you how to live your life. It is a THEORY that states that the best adapted animal will survive. It says nothing about death or any of the other bullshit that religions deal with. IT IS A SCIENTIFIC THEORY. And in case you were wondering. SCIENCE and RELIGION are in completely different spheres of each other.

I stand with my definition but maybe you don't understand exactly what the difference is between a belief and a theory.

A BELIEF which is merely an OPINION that one may have at a whim is completely different than a THEORY or PROVEN HYPOTHESIS that has staggering EVIDENCE behind it. Christianity is a BELIEF, while evolution is a THEORY.

You don't believe in facts because the Bible is a bunch of bullshit that was written in a time when there was no SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

I swear to MFG if you don't understand that I'm not going to explain it again

Seriously, no wonder America is boderline retarded. Average citizens have no idea how science works. It really is a shame.

I hate when people talk out their ass. I really do. And it seems to be the latest American craze.

Global warming is not a belief of how the universe is created. It does not tell us how humans got here, how we should live, death, or a way of life.

Evolution does. Christianity does. Both religions.

Your definition of religion, "a group of people with the same system of beliefs that are followed and practiced by all members", describes evolution.

Yes, I know evolution is a scientific THEORY. You believe in a theory? lol. I believe in a fact.

a religion is a group of people with the same system of beliefs that are followed and practiced by all members, usually of a spiritual nature. There is generally a hiearchy.

religions are less concerned with how we got here and more concerned about where we will go. lol.

evolution, is not a religion though, lol. That would be like saying the belief in global warming caused by humans is a religion. lol.

so, wolfie, how do you define religion?

ok ok, that gave me my daily laugh.

EVOLUTION ISN"T A RELIGION, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC THEORY.

A religion isn't a belief about how the world is created, but religions do have beliefs on that subject.

Paganism isn't a religion. It is a belief in multiple gods of the earth. You pick which deities you follow.

How do I know? I was a follower of specific deities for a few good years. now I think it is all bs. If you need some sort of religion or outside belief system in order to be a functioning member of society you must have weak moral fiber, lol.


Beliefs are not religion, but religions hold beliefs.

Paganism is a religion. Any belief of how the world was created is a religion. Evolution is a religion, just like Christianity is a religion.

you're not a pagan.

paganism isn't a religion.