How could remembering anything be for the worse? You WANT to remember the people, because they affected your lives. Just don't DWELL on them.

I've lost lots of people that matter to me... but I don't forget. And I say it's for the better.

MTLBYAKY

"""so remember them"""
___NOT if it is affecting your life for the worse... which IS the case here. Think people! It's really not as hard as it sounds. I promise.

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It's over, dead people are dead forever

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I do see what you're saying, really. But just because the body is dead doesn't mean the person's spirit should be lost, too. Sure, the past is the past... and you shouldn't dwell on it. But I believe that it's okay to remember those you love, too. I mean... they must have made an impact on your life for you to love them... so remember them. Remember their words and their love. Don't go on living your lives as if those people never lived... just go on living your lives like they'd want you to: happy and satisfied.

MTLBYAKY

You've got yourself a deal.

___Right.

___Ok, my heart is going back 6 feet underground where it belongs. All this digging is very bad for my back. But whatever you do, don't tell anybody important that I got it out. It's not fair for me to make exceptions but I think I'll take my chances pissing everybody off, after all... they did it to me first.

Thank you...that was actually the most encouraging thing anyone has said to me in a long time. And you are right, of course. It changes nothing if I find a miraculous way I could have prevented him from killing himself. After all, he's already dead. I simply try my best to live as well as I can, which is the best thing I can possibly do for him if he's still watching somehow. Besides, the rest of my life isn't about him...it's about me and the rest of those who are still alive. Love, Jen.

___Not even the greatest idea of what could have been done will make things easier. It's over, dead people are dead forever. Quit preoccupying your troubled mind with the past. If you believe in something that happens after death, how do you think the person who is dead would want you to live? Move on and grow as only you know how to... live life every second of every day as best as you can. Nothing more can be asked of you.

I can say I honestly tried my best while he was still alive to do everything in my power to earn his love and give him something to live for...it wasn't enough, obviously, but I did try.

And I do try to focus on the people who are still alive, namely my parents, who just about lost it when Eric killed himself...but it's not as easy as one may think. I don't consider myself hypocritical...I loved him more than anyone in the world, I have a right to be sad. However, the self pitying thing is getting a little old...I try not to do it too much, though I seem to anyway. I have a lot to live for, and moping about him isn't doing any good. Still, I can't help being upset and guilty, though I don't know what else I could have done.

___Well maybe people shouldn't be content just to love these types of people who are "on the edge" and should... oh I don't know.... try to earn some love in return and not just expect it.

___All things considered, this is me being optimistic and I'm really actually terrible at it. People die for all sorts of reasons, and it never comes as a shock or a tragedy to me. Conveniently caring enough to be sad about people who die is such a hypocritical waste of emotion, you should have cared enough while they were living instead. Or better yet, just forget about them completely and focus on the people in your life that are still alive. Jeepers people.

I understand. It's one of the hardest things to deal with, actually...that no matter how much you loved them, it really didn't matter a damn bit.

___What I was getting at when I said that was the feeling wasn't mutual enough for it to matter to the person who died so in the end it doesn't matter whether somebody else cared about that person anyway.

"""The notion is ridiculous"""
___It sure is, but a few messages appearing before mine must have been posted by really rediculous persons.

No one can tell you whether or not you can kill yourself. The notion is ridiculous. At most, they could ask you not to. It just struck a personal note when you said that no one killed themself if they had friends and family who loved them.

"""Sometimes friends and family that love you just aren't enough"""
___Even so, the part about people telling other people they aren't allowed to kill themselves remains just as wrong as if it was enough to keep them alive. Makes no difference.

And how did you come to that conclusion?

bull sh!t.

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People who have friends and family that care about them do not kill themselves.

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I strongly disagree. Sometimes friends and family that love you just aren't enough, even if they're there.

Thank you. That's the point i've been trying to get through to these idiotic people.

"""the friends and family will get hurt"""
___People who have friends and family that care about them do not kill themselves. Why would they? Besides affection isn't always mutual, if someone killed themself without speaking about it with the other person who has feelings for them, he/she obviously wasn't worth staying alive for anyways. People tend to overreact about death, they feel guilty because they probably are. They think they didn't do anything to help the person because they didn't(well not enough obviously). You can't force people to understand your feelings or to care about whether you're happy or not. And as long as this is true it will also be impossible to force people to live.

___People who say I'm not allowed to kill myself, make me want to kill myself. No wait.... not me, you.

Last year was my 7th grade year and i was deeply depressed. My sister was fooling around with my boyfriend and i had a really dark pass. My brother is a rude jackass and i never could have face him after he did what he did to me. So one day i drank half a bottle of pills and try to kill myslef. When my school found out they sended me to a hospital. Rye hospital was a place were i found myslef and i learn that i grew up to fast. Here i was a 12 year old kid who acted like she was 19. I knew that i had to start acting my age.

I agree, akiraadam; the friends and family will get hurt.

Also, so what if it's not you that's dying? It's still another life, and it's still precious. The person that is trying to kill himself/herself is obviously depressed and needs help. However, that person still has a whole life out ahead of them. No one should die before they have to.

Saying you don't care about suicide victims is like saying you don't care about homeless families; it's not YOU that's suffering, so so what? Try and open up your minds a little on this.

MTLBYAKY