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If you guys REALLY want a right to bitch about the whole "Freedom of Speech" violation, wait until your 18 an go join the military. You dont like being told not to wear this or not to do that, you have a damn vacation as to compared to the shit i go through with it. I cant grow my hair out, i cant even have my sideburns past the middle of my ear. i cant wear jeans with rips in them. keep your bitching and moaning to yourself ok. or sit around with a group of your bitching and moaning friends and have a bitch fest. just dont waste our time with your rants.

You are a damn hypocrite.

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Originally posted by veggiechick08:

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unless your 18 and a full citizen you don't really have them to start with

There's no disclaimer in the constitution that says, oh, by the way, this only applies if you're 18. I realize that schools don't recognize my rights, and I disagree with that policy. The supreme court has been forcing schools to recognize students rights for years (like Tinker vs Des Moines for examle). And I shouldn't have to decide between droping out and keeping my rights.

Why am I the only one who wants my rights? Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

The Supreme Court has also ruled that in some respects rights are flexible. Seriously, wearing a T-Shirt in a high school isn't the purpose of the 1st Amendment. Don't trivalize it like that. Not saying you personally, just commenting on the whole thread. Gross rights violations won't fly. But using the 1st Amerndment because the school's cramping your fashion style? Please.

If you guys REALLY want a right to bitch about the whole "Freedom of Speech" violation, wait until your 18 an go join the military. You dont like being told not to wear this or not to do that, you have a damn vacation as to compared to the shit i go through with it. I cant grow my hair out, i cant even have my sideburns past the middle of my ear. i cant wear jeans with rips in them. keep your bitching and moaning to yourself ok. or sit around with a group of your bitching and moaning friends and have a bitch fest. just dont waste our time with your rants.

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Who cares if we are under the age of 18? It doesn't mean we shouldn't get the same freedom as everyone else does, seeing as I am an american citizen.

You are an American citizen, but you are a child. The facts of life are that there are rules, there will always be rules and you will follow them or face the consequences. Even after you are legally an adult. It's not like when you hit 18, you can suddenly do whatever you want. The Portland State University kids in my apartment building seem to think that, but they are ignoring the building's rules, and now they're all being kicked out next year and they can't come back.

If your school says you can't wear a certain T-Shirt. Take it off. Shut up. And get over it. Because nobody but you gives a shit. Once you go to college and experience the real world, as in without your parents to hide under, you'll see your "Freedom of Speech" being violated and oppressed all the time, everywhere you go, 24/7. It's unavoidable.

I think high schools should stop either teaching kids about the Constitution, or at least start explaining what it really means. Because it seems like whenever they hear that phrase "Free Speech" they automatically think it applies to them. High schools make you follow rules, because they're getting you ready for life. So, stop whining.

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Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

Most of us are over 18. So it doesn't affect us anymore. And the ones that aren't are very wise kids who have accepted reality. You can learn a thing or two from them.

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Originally posted by Daniella:
I think this is such BS that students are being censored on a day to day basis. We dont leave or freedom of speech rights at the door when we walk into class.Its not right how we are being punished for expressing artistic views and being punished for it.My school called a T-shirt from Hot Topic with a picture of HIM on it, a distraction to others and i just got suspended for 5 days!!! comments please is this or isnt this a complete pill of s**t??

I agree with you that our freedoms shouldn't stop when we walk through the door of school. Who cares if we are under the age of 18? It doesn't mean we shouldn't get the same freedom as everyone else does, seeing as I am an american citizen. We should talk more. IM me at xohollie126xo

I have to agree with the random laughing of this thread.

Even at the age of 18 when you finally have all your "rights" you still have like 60 years more to live and express yourslef, they limit your rights for your own good and saftey get over it.

good lord,
why does the youth of today feel the need to bitch about every thing that doesnt go their way. get over it ok. schools set rules for a reason like everyone has said, you have to create a suitable enviornment for everyone to be able to learn in. if that doesnt suit you then ask about being home schooled. and like clpo said, in college the limitation no longer applies (well sort of) that doesnt mean you can go around saying "kill all the jews" and not have something said or done about it, but colleges have alot more choices as to what to do to you than HS. and are you less of a person? no you just havent fully earned everything that say an 18 year old has. and likewise people that are 18 cant do alot of things that 21 year olds can. get over it, because i guarentee your school already has

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Did you hear that?
Shade, EG, Ikki, Amp...we conform. HA!

hahahahahaha yes I conform. I wear my American Eagle and Hollister while I hang out with my best friends, a jew a satanist who's converting to catholicism because of a video game and a skinhead

(apologies for the dripping sarcasm make sure you wipe it off before it hits the keyboard)

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Why am I the only one who wants my rights? Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

For one thing, I'm a college student, so the limitation no longer applies. And second, I managed to survive throughout my public schooling without even coming close to needing my full rights. Of course, I wasn't as vocal or demanding as some of my fellow students, but I was there (fourth time) to learn, not to express myself. I did that outside of school. Or in band. But you don't really need freedom of speech to play an instrument.

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Are we still talking about a shirt?

No. I was stating my reasons for agreeing with the schools for "taking away our rights".

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So Im less of a person? I dont deserve to have rights?

I never said that. I just answered your question as to why I didn't care as much anymore.

Honestly, if you think you deserve rights, take it up with your principal. It's the best way to go about things. (Or at least to start things).

P.s. Read your handbook. Mine in high school had what rights I was given. Yours should too.

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However I like knowing that if someone ever tries to fuck with me agian they will be either expelled or suspended.

Are we still talking about a shirt?

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I'm 19. I legally have my rights.

So Im less of a person? I dont deserve to have rights?

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Why am I the only one who wants my rights? Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

I'm 19. I legally have my rights.

But if you think you should have your rights, start by reading your school handbook and setting up a meeting with your school principal to discuss anything that you disagree with, or that you think is a violation of your rights.

All schools really want to do, when it comes down to it, is to try and create a safe and respectful learning environment for everyone. To get there, everyone has to give a little.

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I take it youre a fan of the Patriot Act then?

Hahaha. Yeah right.

However I like knowing that if someone ever tries to fuck with me agian they will be either expelled or suspended. Since I don't go around harassing people then I really have nothing to worry about.

And the 'so called "rights"' thing was because Amp is right. You aren't a full citizen until you are 18

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Anyways, I am okay with the PROTECTION the school gives me in the form of invading these so called 'rights.'

I take it youre a fan of the Patriot Act then?

And whats with the "so called 'rights'" thing?

Hahaha!

Well, veggiechick is new. She doesn't know you guys yet. :P

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Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

Ahahaha.

Did you hear that?
Shade, EG, Ikki, Amp...we conform. HA!

Anyways, I am okay with the PROTECTION the school gives me in the form of invading these so called 'rights.'

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unless your 18 and a full citizen you don't really have them to start with

There's no disclaimer in the constitution that says, oh, by the way, this only applies if you're 18. I realize that schools don't recognize my rights, and I disagree with that policy. The supreme court has been forcing schools to recognize students rights for years (like Tinker vs Des Moines for examle). And I shouldn't have to decide between droping out and keeping my rights.

Why am I the only one who wants my rights? Why do you all conform to the status quo so easily?

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You don't have a choice not to give up your rights

unless your 18 and a full citizen you don't really have them to start with

You know, going to school is a privledge, there are hundres of thousands of kids who would love to have the oppurtunity that many of us take for granted.